I was gonna put together a list of fake rebub presidential candidates that won't pull the trigger, but there are too many to mention.
I will say Pence and Pompeo are too fakes that will never pull the trigger.

Sadly, that could very well be true.

Similarly, it's also highly unlikely than any Democrat could get the nomination of their party without being a least a de facto Satanist.

I think Biden is the favorite regardless of candidate.

No its actually false. Many here like to point every GOP as a racist. She was the governor in a red state.

I think it be great if it was just her against Trump. I think than she could win. As for the general election 90%- 95 % of the folks votes are already decided no matter who is the candidate

I'd be curious to understand what a de facto Satanist is. Is it possible to be a de facto Christian in your opinion?

If she were running in a heads up match contest against Trump, I might agree with you, because I suspect that establishment Republican voters have a lot of Trump fatigue. But she isn't.

DeSantis has been pretty successful at positioning himself as the midpoint between establishment Republicans like Haley and derpy populists like Trump. On the hoof, DeSantis looks a lot like an establishment Republican from twenty years ago. He's a white guy who went to Harvard. He stays on script. He doesn't freelance on social media. He doesn't resort to petty insults. He doesn't get into idiotic personal feuds. He's the governor of an important state.

But his anti-woke, culture war platform is pure derp, a blatant appeal to the subset of GOP voters who immediately orgasm whenever Trump rants about culture stuff.

I'm no DeSantis fan, but that's why I think he will win the nomination.

Someone who might not even believe in Satan, but someone who supports public policies that are consistent with Satan's hatred for truth, beauty and goodness.

Yes. A de facto Christian would be someone who supports public policies that support Christ's love for truth, beauty and goodness.

I see. I would have thought that believing in God, and believing that Jesus was the Messiah would have been strict criteria in your book for being any sort of Christian, de facto or otherwise.

Excellent analysis in my opinion. But, I am a Desantis fan. He even polled relatively well with Florida Democrats in his recent re-election. He even won Dade County, which he lost handily in 2018.

I should have been more clear to obviate that possible misunderstanding. I'm only looking at this in a political values context.

I actually have an atheist friend whose moral values are generally much closer to the Bible than to Secular Humanism.

I am stealing this from a meme from United Humanists

Problem is, that quote is "arguing" against a strawman.

Although I'd rather have a bad person on a leash than not on a leash.

It doesn't take much effort to take Secular Humanism apart.

I would imagine that DeSantis is close to your dream candidate. You don't like Trump's personal behavior, but you love the culture war stuff.

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it will be interesting when DeSantis actually hits the national stage. he's been doing his performance bit in florida and is only really making a few headlines nationally. which allows republicans to project their values onto him. he's a weird dude. and super awkward in situations that aren't 100% scripted.

plus he's as big of a grifter as rick scott easily. he just took over some college in florida and installed his friend as president. doubled the dudes salary on the taxpayer dime, and gave him a 15million dollar discretionary fund. then turned around and grifted the taxpayers out of the state lottery money to funnel into his own campagin..

Desantis is as performative and Derpy as any far right Republican. and probably even more fascist.

the only reason that he is considered more sensible is bc of the media portraying him as such. any objective observation shows him just as bad if not worse than Trump.

luckily he doesnt have much charisma and is full of cringe. 2016 Trump would mop the floor with him. but even if Trumps heart is halfway into it then he should still take him down.

The thing is TRump will not have the deep pocket billionaires nor Murdoch backing him

I think he has more billionaire backing in the primary than he did in 2016. Foxnews was extremely anti-Trump during the primaries then.

I am not suggesting that DeSantis is authentic, benign, or sensible as a matter of fact. I am suggesting that (i) DeSantis presents himself in a more conventional package than Trump; (ii) establishment Republicans, in particular, are eager for a more conventional package; and (iii) DeSantis's embrace of the culture war stuff is intended to siphon off some of the Trump derps and it probably will be an effective enough strategy to get him the nomination.

We are all just guessing. If I had to bet on DeSantis vs. the rest of the Republican field, I probably would choose the field. But I still would rate DeSantis as having the best chance of getting the nomination.

Eh. You are certainly correct that Fox was anti-Trump until it became obvious that he would get the nomination. And you are certainly correct that Trump had more billionaire support in, say, 2018, than he did in the primary. But the ball has probably started to roll back down the hill.

Even if you like his policies, Trump's demeanor and overall approach makes him high variance. Generally speaking, billionaires are not fans of high variance politics. And that makes sense. If you are a billionaire, almost by definition the political status quo is working out pretty well for you.

thing is this can only hurt him in the primaries, whomever gets the ticket will then have all their faults handwaved away

just look at how people from both sides react to biden/trump both having classified documents they weren't supposed to have - both literally committed the same crimes and yet i know of people on both sides who will attempt arguing that either biden or trump should be locked up it while explaining away that their guy really didn't do anything wrong

Nikki Haley kicks off 2024 run with pastor who claimed Holocaust was divine plan from God

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...tion-rcna70821

I always thought that making incendiary comments about Hitler was a good thing. Silly me.

(I take it that the TheRecount dude is a closet Nazi.)

Seems to be a common theme for candidates and current presidents not vetting folks

Hagee is very pro Israel. The only bonafide wackjob in steam's post was TheRecount guy who hates it when people make incendiary remarks about Hitler.