yes sorry corrector going more crazy than usual today.

"nevery anyone but Trump" is a group which changes depending if Trump is viable. I mean if he is in jail, or completly handicapped, or dead, or whatever out of the picture then they would quickly accept some other candidates, but they wouldn't have this cycle.

Do you agree with me though that if in 2028 or 2032 , with trump out of the picture completly, whatever candidate the republicans field if he has actual rightwing policy, he will be treated the same by people in this forum and mainstream media? insulted relentlessly, his base insulted for ignorance, mocked, treated with utter disregard and so on, literally no matter who he is, if he is against climate change investments, in favor of fossil fuel extraction in the USA in large quantities, in favor of tax cuts and a reduction of welfare, against illegal immigration and so on?

You and Tuma are both wrong imo. The MSM is comprised of individual human beings, a majority of whom want Trump to lose. But if he wins, they of course will enjoy the clicks that a Trump presidency inevitably generates through chaos and buffoonery.

The reality is there are folks that say they are " never Trump" and yes some will stay home but I doubt they vote Democrat. Its just like there were folks " I cant vote Biden" who now have a candidate they believe in . Those folks may have stayed home as well

The way its going Trump is going to lose this election. Hard to believe if that does happen that the last 3 elections could have been won by losing candidate but due to sheer stupidity they cost themselves an easily winnable election

They can go and vote and vote republican for the senate or the house or the state legislature or governor (depending what they are voting for where they live) then vote democrat for president, it happens all elections a bit (lately this is happening less than it did in the past if i am not mistaken, but it still happens).

Also remember than in like 40 states approx, what you vote for president doesn't matter (in the sense that there is approx 0% chance that the state isn't already determined pro harris or pro trump), so people can use that to signal their preferences for third parties or whatever.

Yes Harris is now the favourite and in theory her chances will increase even more with the convention and the momentum is all on her side

Not necessarily. Romney and McCain were criticized by MSM, especially those outlets with left-leaning editorial pages, but they were not routinely characterized as unfit or as threats to Democratic norms.

That's because they were not like Trump. They were just run-of-the-mill Republicans promoting the usual Republican policies.

Ye they just called Mc Cain a war criminal, and Romney a robber baron

It is entirely false that McCain was routinely described as a war criminal by the MSM. In fact, I don't recall any MSM outlet pointing to McCain's service in the military as a reason not to vote for him. Romney was described as wealthy, and for that reason, out of touch with the problems or ordinary people, but he brought a lot of that on himself with that huge gaffe.

I would be interested in seeing some backing for this claim.

I don't think I'll ever get my head wrapped around republicans going from the likes of mccain/romney to trump.

God knows what you could find in Jacobin, but you aren't going to find instances in which CBS, the Washington Post, etc. called McCain a war criminal.

He is.

LOL.

I'm not sure if it is really a majority of trump voters don't like him, but I do agree there are a lot of people who hold their nose when voting for him.

I think the same could be said for kamala (source: her approval rating pre-coup). I think a lot of Dems didn't like her, but now that she is the only thing that stands between trump blasting nuclear bombs over ever inch of the world, tanking the economy, killing everyone who is gay or a minority, ending democracy and all the other things dem claims he wanted to do during his 1st term but he forgot to do but during his 2nd term he is 100% to do.

Was the 2016 election rigged/ hugely influenced by foreign govts propaganda?

Was the 2020 election rigged/ etc?

You and playbig are bringing it today.

EU now trying to blackmail Elon from having Trump on X tonight.

Trump largely governed as a standard Republican. There were only a few policy-related things separating Trump and, say, Mittens Romney. Trade war/protectionist stuff is the big one.

On the other hand, there's the Tax Bill/tax cuts for the wealthy, standard MIC positions, including fealty to Israel, not ACTUALLY fighting against Obamacare (despite campaigning on it; done to rile up the rubes), and however many other things, all of which would be found in a Marco Rubio presidency.

And, regardless of how it's reported, anybody in the US who volunteered to fight in Vietnam is a war criminal. That entire war was one big crime. And McCain wasn't even a COMPETENT criminal! The dude crashed MULTIPLE planes!

He wasn't any more qualified for POTUS than Donald Trump, unless you count him being a monstrous ghoul in Congress for a while as a positive qualification...

dope

Wish they succeed! (strongly doubt it)

These two freaks babbling at each other will LOCK IN the blue check influencer crew, i.e., some of the most credulous famewhores around.

Yes trump moved far to the left on the Washington consensus package. He did things Sanders asked for , for decades.

The rest was normal American center - right politics.

Mc Cain as a war criminal, politico in 2008 made a list

https://www.politico.com/story/2008/...-record-011429

Huffington post

Romney and McCain, maybe not, but on a related note, can you remind me which recent Republican POTUS ACTUALLY stole an election? Here I was, thinking that fair elections comprised a large amount of the field of "democratic norms" (your usage should be of the small D as well). I forget the name, it's such ancient history that none of us were alive for, but I've been at the library combing the microfiche and don't recall this mystery President receiving 1/10th of the "he's ending democracy!" panic that Donald Trump has received.

i have no idea what any of that has to do with Trump being bought and paid for by foreign governments and oligarchs. you can just look at the people and governments that are paying him legalized bribe money for his real estate to see that.

the Biden/Harris ticket overwhelmingly won the primary. everyone that voted fully knew it was a Biden/Harris ticket and that Harris would be the one to step up in the event that Biden couldn't continue for whatever reason. it was perfectly democratic. every candidate in that same open primary that you think she would have lost didn't have the guts to challenge her. the idea that she is some how not the democratically elected candidate is some dumb maga talking point.

Robert Reich (one of the stereotypical bad faith poisonous and toxic democrats that make tens of millions of people hate democrats from the bottom of their hearts) in 2012



https://www.thenation.com/article/ar...ew-gilded-age/

Secretary for Bill Clinton, economic advisers to Obama. Can't claim he wasn't at the deep core of the democratic party, a pillar of it.

no one is talking about individual reporters.. of course individual human beings have thoughts, why would that even be considered a talking point?

FOX, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, even MSNBC relish the idea of another trump presidency.