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08-07-2024 , 11:21 AM

#7501

Luckbox Inc

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Originally Posted by d2_e4

Why is how the democrats choose their candidate such a pressing concern for republicans all of a sudden? They could pick a random guy off the street for all you care, it's nobody's business but theirs. Parties are private organisations, as has been explained ITT about 489 times by now.

Yeah why is politics the way it is. That's so strange.

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08-07-2024 , 11:27 AM

#7502

ecriture d'adulte

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Originally Posted by housenuts

With such a deep bench of compelling candidates makes you wonder why they wouldn't want to run a competitive primary to select between them

Nobody thought it was in their interest to mount a serious campaign against Harris. There is no “they” that can decide this. It takes a top level candidate to decide to run. Nobody did. Same as how Trump was given the nomination in 2020 despite all his problems.

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08-07-2024 , 11:31 AM

#7503

housenuts

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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte

You don't think top level candidates would've run vs Biden at the start of the year?

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08-07-2024 , 11:33 AM

#7504

d2_e4

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Originally Posted by housenuts

You don't think top level candidates would've run vs Biden at the start of the year?

Would've run against Biden if it weren't for what? Who was stopping them?

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08-07-2024 , 11:34 AM

#7505

spaceman Bryce

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Originally Posted by tame_deuces

So, on some very rare occasions I opt to watch a politician in action and took a look at some videos of Walz.

The republicans got a fight on their hands with this one, he is really, really good on the screen. Clear, concise and still coming off as down to earth. And behind that is a good orator.

Yeah. He did very well in his speech yesterday.

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08-07-2024 , 11:36 AM

#7506

housenuts

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Originally Posted by d2_e4

Would've run against Biden if it weren't for what? Who was stopping them?

politics.

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08-07-2024 , 11:38 AM

#7507

d2_e4

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Originally Posted by housenuts

politics.

Deep, brah.

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08-07-2024 , 11:42 AM

#7508

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the party decided Biden was their horse.

you can't go against the party or you get back benched and your political career is basically halted.

do you think the party's view in 2023/2024 that Biden was their horse for 4 more years was a good view?

if they had the capacity to understand dude was old AF and not fit to do 4 more years, they say ya Biden is done. put your hat in the ring for primaries.

a competitive primary then happens and I'm sure many of this 'deep bench of compelling candidates' makes a run for it.

do you agree, or do you think it was a reasonable view in 2023/2024 that Biden was competent and should be the guy until 2028?

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08-07-2024 , 11:45 AM

#7509

d2_e4

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Originally Posted by housenuts

I don't understand your objection. Is it that in your view the democratic party used a suboptimal strategy to select their nominee or is it something else? Hint: if your answer contains the word "undemocratic", it is dumb and wrong.

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08-07-2024 , 11:50 AM

#7510

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Originally Posted by d2_e4

It's not an objection. It's a question.

Mostly questioning why you think they didn't explore their 'deep bench'.

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08-07-2024 , 11:51 AM

#7511

spaceman Bryce

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Originally Posted by housenuts

It's not an objection. It's a question.

Mostly questioning why you think they didn't explore their 'deep bench'.

It wasn’t strategic-Biden has a lot of friends.

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08-07-2024 , 11:52 AM

#7512

d2_e4

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Originally Posted by housenuts

It's not an objection. It's a question.

Mostly questioning why you think they didn't explore their 'deep bench'.

Fair enough. I have no idea. Just guessing, but I doubt it was part of some well thought out strategy. Probably just how things worked out.

Also, is it common for incumbents to have serious challengers in the primary? I thought it was pretty much given that if the incumbent is running, he is running mostly uncontested.

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08-07-2024 , 11:55 AM

#7513

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Originally Posted by Gonzirra

Paying hush money to porn stars, …

Mods have asked posters to stop mentioning that trump hooked up with a pstar and that Kamala hooked up with someone twice her age to get a couple promotions to advance her political career.

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08-07-2024 , 12:00 PM

#7514

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Originally Posted by housenuts

It's not an objection. It's a question.

Mostly questioning why you think they didn't explore their 'deep bench'.

Challenging a sitting president for the party's nomination is not good for one's career.

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08-07-2024 , 12:02 PM

#7515

Gorgonian

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Originally Posted by steamraise

Donald Trump floating the idea that Biden may
try and crash the DNC and take back the nomination.

You're going to see a LOT of desperate nonsense over the next couple of months as he realizes he's going to lose and go to prison for the rest of his life.

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08-07-2024 , 12:08 PM

#7516

ecriture d'adulte

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Originally Posted by housenuts

You don't think top level candidates would've run vs Biden at the start of the year?

No. Because they didn’t. Guys like Walz might be very good. But they don’t have the money or recognition to challenge a sitting President. I couldn’t have picked him out of a lineup a month ago.

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08-07-2024 , 12:08 PM

#7517

d2_e4

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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey

Mods have asked posters to stop mentioning that trump hooked up with a pstar and that Kamala hooked up with someone twice her age to get a couple promotions to advance her political career.

Oh, so we're all doing as asked now? A bunch of posters asked you to stop lying about 100 times, when you going to get on that?

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08-07-2024 , 12:12 PM

#7518

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Originally Posted by d2_e4

Ya, but generally the incumbent isn't a stumbling 81 year old. We're living in interesting times.

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08-07-2024 , 12:48 PM

#7519

pocket_zeros

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Originally Posted by housenuts

With such a deep bench of compelling candidates makes you wonder why they wouldn't want to run a competitive primary to select between them

Because they had an incumbent with a track record of beating their presumed nominee.

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08-07-2024 , 12:53 PM

#7520

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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey

Mods have asked posters to stop mentioning that trump hooked up with a pstar and that Kamala hooked up with someone twice her age to get a couple promotions to advance her political career.

But they are both true? When did the mods ask folks to stop talking about Trump . And it was almost 2.3 times her age

Heck I finally googled the JD Vance Couch jokes

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08-07-2024 , 01:23 PM

#7521

Bobo Fett

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Originally Posted by Luciom

Because it happened in like 40 days and we are still 90 days from the elections.

Ross Perot in 1996 was polling at pre-debate RFK jr numbers in the summer and ended up taking 8.4. RFK has already crumbled to 5% as the average of many good polls.

Johnson in 2016 was polling close to 9% up until the end of september (took 3.3% at the end). This recent example is probably what you have in mind.

It's surprising at least to me that people are seeing clarity so soon this cycle, especially given how low the net approval rates are both main candidates.

And keep in mind MANY states aren't in play at all (very popolous ones at that, often enough), so it would be the perfect opportunity for anyone not in love with either candidate to vote third party to signal that, in those states.

Yeah, it's so curious that as people get to know more about RFK Jr., his support would drop so early. With super relatable stories like his brain worm combined with all his very normal conspiracy beliefs, I really wouldn't have expected that a more viable Democratic candidate would affect his numbers. Perot and Johnson are great comparisons, because they also had beliefs just like RFK's. Maybe his numbers will bounce back once the bear story is factored in - who hasn't had an experience like that, amirite?

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08-07-2024 , 01:40 PM

#7522

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Originally Posted by housenuts

It's not an objection. It's a question.

Mostly questioning why you think they didn't explore their 'deep bench'.

If it was such a “deep bench” , how come on the betting sites for example we couldn’t find any of them ?
A non politician like Michele obama was doing better than all of them …
There was no bench !

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08-07-2024 , 01:40 PM

#7523

Victor

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08-07-2024 , 01:46 PM

#7524

Montrealcorp

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Well seemTrump realizing his in trouble .
Debate seem Will happen .

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08-07-2024 , 01:48 PM

#7525

Karl_TheOG_Marx

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Originally Posted by Gorgonian

You're going to see a LOT of desperate nonsense over the next couple of months as he realizes he's going to lose and go to prison for the rest of his life.

You don't think Trump is actually going to go to PRISON, right?

Don't get me wrong, that'd be hilarious, awesome, and he definitely deserves it, but, come on. Just the logistics of maintaining his Secret Service protection in a prison would be enough for anybody with the power to imprison Trump to throw up their hands and say, "forget it".

At best, the guy is gonna be on house arrest with access to the internet, and his gold toilets, and all that ****.

Trump in Rikers is some hardcore liberal hopium.

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