I think Romney is way too high on the list. It is not 2012. How would he ever get the Republican nomination in 2024 when the entire Trump wing of the party loathes him and ridicules him? IMO, there would not be any path for him at all to get the nomination.

still think biden is a 48-51% fav against any red. ill go to 538 and see, im surprised we haven't heard more talks about republicans going for the nom. desantis v trump should be contested

i don't think democrats should throw anyone else other than biden if they wan to win

You have to slot people into an order somehow. Putting any president or past president with eligibility left high on the list seems reasonable. Same for vice president and former vice president. Then throw in some popular current or past governors. And some current or past members of congress. And a celebrity types. This posted list is 55 people long, if you are going to keep filling it in then people have to end up somewhere.

This is a poker forum. Mitt Romney is the huge combo draw on the turn. The Romney combo draw is current senator, former presidential nominee, former governor.

DeSantis is Trump 2.0. Romney is the anti-Trump. Trump was completely crushed by Biden in the popular vote by 7,000,000 votes. That wasn't all about Trump, there was an anti-Trump vote component. If that anti-Trump vote from republicans stays strong, Trump doesn't run, then I could see DeSantis and Romney the last two people standing for the 2024 republican nominee. Hell DeSantis is up for re-election as governor this year, he could suffer what many would call a surprise and humiliating defeat for governor thereby shuffling up the 2024 general election. Romney can run for senator for life in Utah and get re-elected.

I didn't say Romney would win, but on the posted list of about 55 people, I think Romney listed at 18th is too low.

We will have to disagree. You're right about Romney being Senator in Utah for life if he wants; that still doesn't translate into winning the party Presidential nomination. Neither does Joe Biden winning a general election against Trump. The Republican party nationally is in a lot different place than 2012.

In the age of Trump and 'grab em by the pussy' what type of scandal could he have had that he might feel is disqualifying?

Of course. I obviously was implying that it would happen sooner rather than later if we continue to have 80 year old candidates.

DeSantis takes the lead!

Beto O'Rourke seems to have taken one of the biggest falls from the previous list. The 2022 election cycle had him lose in his attempt to become Texas governor. Since he can't turn Texas blue, or at least purple, it looks like O'Rourke has almost no shot at president or even being seriously considered for the a vice-president pick.

Elon Musk ftw.

If someone offers you 10,000:1 odds on anything, you take it. If The Iron Sheik becomes president in 2025, I am going to be a very rich man.

I like Romney at +6600

Michele O at +4000 good but maybe not at +3000

Just saw the updated list and didn't see Romney.

It appears that democrat governor of California Gavin Newsom has informed the white house that he has no plans to run against Biden for the democratic nomination.

At Biden's age, not having to fight it out for the democratic nomination from state to state and debate to debate, will help a lot.

I didn't think that Gavin would even consider running if Biden was desirous of a second term.

Joe Rogan could win in a crowded Republican field.

And I'm not kidding.

Is Rogan even a Republican?

Like it matters ?

Not at all but Dems hate him especially left wing media

He's about where Trump was in 2008. A self described "independent" who's wholly incapable of independent thought.

he is considered worse.

If you hold mostly left wing views on an issue by issue basis but diverge in any way from some, what others consider sacred cow issues, where dissent simply is not tolerated and being 'wrong' is not acceptable nor defense', then you are considered both unforgivable and decried as being unable to any longer be considered part of the 'left.


If you look at how left and right are generally defined world wide and take the major plank issues, Joe is far more of the left, than the right. He is far to the left of most Dem politicians in America, for instance and far closer to alignment with 'progressives' in America.


But you have seen on this forum, that since he bought in to derp covid views many here decry that he can no longer be considered left. This despite the betting odds suggesting that he is far to the left of them on most social issues but they still say, he is not 'of the left'.

Glenn Youngkin is a good long odds pick. He's priced about right.

Where is there left wing media in the US media space? Can't find anything written by them. To whom do you refer? Concretely?