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05-08-2024 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by King Spew
I'm confused Mr. Billy Goat. Is this a new kinda "bothSides" argument?
Bob the Billy Goat please

Yeah it is I think for many Americans in the upper middle class and rich their doing great . Its the lower middle class and poor that are struggling. Reality is many are going to say was a i better off under Trump or Biden and vote that way .

I think the democrats have done a terrible job out on the campaign trail with the economy but when you have a cognitive declined man who can barely walk or talk its an issue . Contrasty him with Gavin Newsom speaking ....
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05-08-2024 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
I very specifically asked you what your favorite Biden policies are.
I don't think that I could answer this question w/r/t any presidential administration. For example, if someone asked me whether I preferred withdrawing from Afghanistan to restoring U.S. membership in the Paris Agreement, I wouldn't know how to answer. Both things seem like the right move to me.

If I asked you, as between a prohibition against driving the wrong way on one-way streets and a prohibition against driving at night without your lights on, what is your favorite traffic regulation, would you really have an answer?
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05-08-2024 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I don't think that I could answer this question w/r/t any presidential administration. For example, if someone asked me whether I preferred withdrawing from Afghanistan to restoring U.S. membership in the Paris Agreement, I wouldn't know how to answer. Both things seem like the right move to me.

If I asked you, as between a prohibition against driving the wrong way on one-way streets and a prohibition against driving at night without your lights on, what is your favorite traffic regulation, would you really have an answer?
The question was simply "What are the things president Biden did that you like?" I feel like I could come up with something for just about any administration off the top of my head. W Bush did some good things to stop AIDS in Africa. Biden got us out of Afghanistan, etc. etc.
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05-08-2024 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
Lozen WAGES GREW MORE THAN INFLATION in the last 12+ months in the USA. ESPECIALLY medium-low wages.

two thirds of americans don't pay rent and their mortgage is mostly at low, fixed rates (UNLIKE canada, the normal mortgage in the USA is fixed rate for 20 or 30 years, and most people were able to finance or re-finance at rock bottom rates before recent increases).
Keep in mind Biden is losing younger voters the ones that had a dream of owning a home and I am sure Israel isn't helping

Yet Mcdonald's is becoming unaffordable

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...rs/ar-AA1j8nms
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05-08-2024 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
The question was simply "What are the things president Biden did that you like?" I feel like I could come up with something for just about any administration off the top of my head. W Bush did some good things to stop AIDS in Africa. Biden got us out of Afghanistan, etc. etc.
Fair enough. You should be able to identify things that you support. I was more commenting on rank ordering, which seems impossible.
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05-08-2024 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Fair enough. You should be able to identify things that you support. I was more commenting on rank ordering, which seems impossible.
single most positive Biden thing tbh especially given the clear alternative was the support for Ukraine
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05-08-2024 , 01:53 PM
I've come to the conclusion that Biden just isn't very likeable and it doesn't matter what he does.
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05-08-2024 , 03:24 PM
I think Social media fatigue is going to pop up more often in conversations in future. Its the ideas posited from the far left and right that makes for great media entertainment and good revenue and i would imagine that we eventually peak from that and people continue to tune out moving forward. Personally, id bet the under on voter turnout even with Trump running but who the hell knows.
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05-08-2024 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by formula72
I think Social media fatigue is going to pop up more often in conversations in future. Its the ideas posited from the far left and right that makes for great media entertainment and good revenue and i would imagine that we eventually peak from that and people continue to tune out moving forward. Personally, id bet the under on voter turnout even with Trump running but who the hell knows.
Under of which %?
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05-08-2024 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Yeah when the guy touts his Bidenomics and how great the stock markets doing ( same thing Trump did and the democrats reply most folks do not own stocks) but the reality is that when your paying more for groceries and gas and rent and the interest rates on new mortgages is way higher and Mcdonald's is even unaffordable your not going to believe how great the economy is . Yes you can get three jobs to feed the family

I look at the USA's economy compared to Canada and I agree its staggering how good it is. Unemployment rate 3 point lower, inflation slightly lower but your food costs and gas costs compared to us and housing costs . I wish we could have your economy
The world changed post COVID .
Get use to it cause the rest of the world is doing it .
In this new reality the U.S. are doing better then everyone .
Regardless whoever going to be president those pre pandemic prices will never come back , it’s done !
Worldwide …

Unless u wish a huge depression for lower prices which I promise you will regret instantly…
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05-08-2024 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by biggerboat
I've come to the conclusion that Biden just isn't very likeable and it doesn't matter what he does.
Over the course of his career, I would say the personal likeability has been perceived as one of Biden's main strengths as a politician, and lack of intellectual heft (at least as compared to Democratic contemporaries like Clinton and Obama) has been perceived as one of his main weaknesses.

But times have changed. I do not expect to see another president with high approval ratings in my lifetime. If a U.S. president ever has nominally high approval ratings in the next thirty years, it will probably be a sign that the country has slid into some sort of overtly authoritarian dystopia.
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05-08-2024 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Over the course of his career, I would say the personal likeability has been perceived as one of Biden's main strengths as a politician, and lack of intellectual heft (at least as compared to Democratic contemporaries like Clinton and Obama) has been perceived as one of his main weaknesses.

But times have changed. I do not expect to see another president with high approval ratings in my lifetime. If a U.S. president ever has nominally high approval ratings in the next thirty years, it will probably be a sign that the country has slid into some sort of overtly authoritarian dystopia.
I expect a center right president could have decently high approval (55-60%), while it would be impossible for any center left one for at least a generation if not more.

plausibly, some minority , maybe woman, center right but with "manners", like a Haley if she never had to go up against Trump.

A Haley-like candidate, or a Harris-looking person with De Santis politics (but a little less cultural war focus at least in speeches), might get to 55-60% approval in 2032 or around then.
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05-08-2024 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
And retired people have full COLA.

And the stock market is going great and anyone with a pension fund knows that.
The majority of retired people don't get COLA raises on pensions. A huge majority of people with pensions that get any raises once they start a pension are former government workers.

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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp
US has the best economic situation in the world but Biden sucks …


Yes baham we know for you a 1930 depression with millions job lost style is better then a burst of inflation ….

1970s was so much worst then 1930s….

And yes Biden was the sole creator of inflation worldwide even before he was even president .
Preach bro preach .

Ps: regardless of any economic data, if in the end it was a trump presidency you wouldn’t care about it if it would end up being the best economy in the world .
And we saw it already .
U didn’t care about debt under trump because the economy was great ….
Such hypocrisy.
Stock markets are a leading indicator of the economy. Go check out how the US market has done compared to international markets over the last 10+ years. Yes, we are still doing better than them, but that doesn't mean biden is doing a job - maybe he is just doing better than other countries that are doing bad.

I'm not sure where you came up with the idea I want a depression. I don't.

I didn't say biden was 100% at fault for inflation. I said Dems are a huge part of it, but many other developed countries governments made the same mistakes that the Dems pushed for - printing too much extra money for far too long, shutting down parts of the economy and throwing around govt money too much. Saying he's doing a good job because other governments did the same thing as him but did it worse is like telling your mom you shouldn't be grounded for jumping an old woman because you only punched her a couple times and your friend stomped on her head.

You keep saying I'm not critical of trump, but I've told you at least 10 times I do think trump deserves a little bit of the blame on inflation because he caved from the pressure of dems to pass policies that create inflation.
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05-08-2024 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by formula72
I think Social media fatigue is going to pop up more often in conversations in future. Its the ideas posited from the far left and right that makes for great media entertainment and good revenue and i would imagine that we eventually peak from that and people continue to tune out moving forward. Personally, id bet the under on voter turnout even with Trump running but who the hell knows.
This is a very NYT kind of framing where "extremism" is like, "we should have decent HC" or "You shouldn't have to be an indentured servant to banks if you want to go to college."

I view it as 2 things. 1) the forces of corruption have totally eroded our safeguards against it. Speaking fees, lobbyists, campaign contributions, insider trading, think tanks, etc. Being a politician is no longer a path of civil service, but a way to become extravagantly wealthy. That's 3rd world stuff. You cannot have a well run gov when every single office holder is getting rich off corruption. And the US is now run like a 3rd world country.

The corruption caused by lobbyists, think tanks, corporate media, etc is more subtle, but still pretty obvious.

As a result, both parties are pretty hostile to 80-90% of the population, and perhaps 100% of the future population. Really addressing our core quality of life issues is totally off the table. To do something like the interstate hwy system today is inconceivable. See e.g. how fiercely both parties oppose the GND.

(Yes there are individuals within either party who advocate good policies but they always magically fail to get them made.)


2) As this has happened, the internet has allowed people to circumvent propaganda. An obvious example is we can see the destruction in gaza, and human faces are put to it. In 1993 all that would be glossed over.

When we relied on corporate news, if UHC came up, we'd get stories about how you had to wait 2 years to be treated for a GSW in England, where everyone paid 97% income tax because of HC. They still run these stories, but only boomers read them.

Now, there is ready access to alternative media. Or, i can just look up things like HC costs per capita. (It's easy to forget how much work it used to be to do stuff like that). Or, we can just talk to people.

I can ask my English friends online about HC and have a Tory tell me their system is pretty good and ours is insane. We also have countless first hand reports from a place like gaza. "Here is a picture of my little brother. He was shot in the head yesterday."

Whether you're right or left leaning, you really have to be stubbornly glued to corporate narratives to see people like Biden or his Republican counterparts as even slightly decent people, or think they care about you, the country or the world outside of their own circles.
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05-08-2024 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
The majority of retired people don't get COLA raises on pensions. A huge majority of people with pensions that get any raises once they start a pension are former government workers.
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Social security raises adjust with inflation .
Many fund pensions are equity based so no problem , stocks goes up .
Btw all the present debt been mostly created by baby boomers retirees , yeah the bill cone due at some point …..
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05-08-2024 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
You keep saying I'm not critical of trump, but I've told you at least 10 times I do think trump deserves a little bit of the blame on inflation because he caved from the pressure of dems to pass policies that create inflation.
That is the problem .
U believe trump caves lol .
Trump caves vs no one , even vs DOJ which explain lot of his current problem .
Trump created more debts in 4 years then Obama in8 years and Biden current administration.
Want me post the charts again?

So as usual you are dead wrong about trump having small contribution on inflation .
I mean u agree trump created too much debt but didn’t create inflation but Biden did and his responsible o0 ?
Seriously….
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05-08-2024 , 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Over the course of his career, I would say the personal likeability has been perceived as one of Biden's main strengths as a politician, and lack of intellectual heft (at least as compared to Democratic contemporaries like Clinton and Obama) has been perceived as one of his main weaknesses.

But times have changed. I do not expect to see another president with high approval ratings in my lifetime. If a U.S. president ever has nominally high approval ratings in the next thirty years, it will probably be a sign that the country has slid into some sort of overtly authoritarian dystopia.
Yeah, and I think part of that is due to the function of confirmation bias through social media. Imo, Biden has been a pretty good president thats deserving of a higher approval but more people than before are preoccupied in their feel good feeds full of bullshit to notice.
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05-08-2024 , 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp
That is the problem .
U believe trump caves lol .
Trump caves vs no one , even vs DOJ which explain lot of his current problem .
Trump created more debts in 4 years then Obama in8 years and Biden current administration.
Want me post the charts again?

So as usual you are dead wrong about trump having small contribution on inflation .
I mean u agree trump created too much debt but didn’t create inflation but Biden did and his responsible o0 ?
Seriously….
I never understand you your critical of Trump’s debt which I agree with but you give your PM a pass for running up more debt than all the prime minister’s of Canada combined .
Do you really think Biden or Trump are not going to rack up more debt if elected ?
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05-08-2024 , 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
I never understand you your critical of Trump’s debt which I agree with but you give your PM a pass for running up more debt than all the prime minister’s of Canada combined .
Do you really think Biden or Trump are not going to rack up more debt if elected ?
I never gave a pass to Justin …..
I’m not voting for Justin …
But yes I defend Justin when u tell extravagant unfounded facts ….

Like here with trump .
I’m just saying trump did more debt then Biden and Obama and yet trump isn’t responsible for inflation but Biden is in mind ?
That’s bs .
It’s not about if trump was right to spend so much during covid or not .
It’s the disingenuous thought of Biden and democrats are massively responsible and trump isnt .
That’s nonsense .
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05-08-2024 , 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
I expect a center right president could have decently high approval (55-60%), while it would be impossible for any center left one for at least a generation if not more.

plausibly, some minority , maybe woman, center right but with "manners", like a Haley if she never had to go up against Trump.

A Haley-like candidate, or a Harris-looking person with De Santis politics (but a little less cultural war focus at least in speeches), might get to 55-60% approval in 2032 or around then.
You are mistaken for the reason formula explained.
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05-08-2024 , 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
plausibly, some minority , maybe woman, center right but with "manners"
Can you elaborate on this?
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05-08-2024 , 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Can you elaborate on this?
I assume that he means someone without a MTG-style enthusiasm for performative jackassery.

But it's Luciom, so who knows.
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05-08-2024 , 11:23 PM
Guilty

The forces of corruption corrupted me.
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05-09-2024 , 01:30 AM
NYT going hard on RFK's worm in the brain and "multiple undisclosed health issues". i am grateful we have two more respectable candidates to vote for, neither with any brain or health issues.
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05-09-2024 , 04:11 AM
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Can you elaborate on this?
no mocking disabled people on live tv? no all caps tweeting? no "I could shoot someone in fifth avenue with no consequences" on record? no "I grab them by the dick"?

with manners, someone who dances to the tune of the performative public relations rules, unlike Trump.

I think you realize there is a significant number of people who actually don't dislike trump politics too much but are repulsed by his behavior right?
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