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Originally Posted by rickroll
bobo,if you and I are discussing the amount of time required to make a sandwich and you say you can make one in just a few minutes and i respond with this data point
would you continue the discussion with me or recognize me as a clown that is beyond hope?
serious question
Well, I'd probably consider the OP of that thread as beyond hope and not participate in the first place, which is what I've done.
But if I was actively participating, then I actually think I'd respond, as you did. Maybe directly, or maybe via someone else's post.
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Originally Posted by rickroll
i don't have access to it off hand but i've done professional research on this in the aughts - we ultimately did not publish because up top thought it would be a very divisive article
Knowing this, which you hadn't mentioned before, your reaction makes a little more sense. Still a little surprised how strong it is, and it certainly doesn't make any more sense out of calling him a liar or saying "no amount of data refuting it is ever going to get you to alter your stance", but I can mostly follow the thought process at least.
That said, I'm still no more certain as to what US immigrants' opinion is on illegal immigrants. Not that it's especially important to me, or that it's up to anyone to educate me on the matter, just saying that I've found neither argument convincing or dismissible. I'd expect some would be resentful because they believed that said illegals were skipping all the effort they had to go through, others would have more sympathy for those fleeing difficult circumstances, and all of them would have their opinions strengthened or altered to varying degrees by how long they had been in the US, what their experience had been, the politics around them, and other factors.In the end, if I was forced to put some money down, I'd assume those factors balance out and go with the overall numbers lining up with others in their own demographics (IE age, location, income, culture, etc.). Not that anyone asked me.