they keep doing the 99% Hitler meme

Why is it that in the US the left tends to support Palestine and the right tends to support Israel?

I hope I'm not just imagining this and it isn't too stupid of a question.

But isn’t Biden supporting Israel by doing genocide in Gaza ?
You saying Biden is a right wing politician ?
Where do u stand on this ?

I'd say in North America there definitely a stronger bias towards Israel the farther right you go, and the shift to bias towards Palestine doesn't come at the center, but somewhat to the left - quite a bit more so in the US than Canada. Not sure if this is a European phenomenon as well.

left: anti-imperialist, anti-west, anti-semitic, anti-capitalism

right: anti-muslim, anti-brown people, plus quite a few people who want to bring about the eschatological annihilation of the unworthy by getting a correctly coloured cow into the right part of the middle east

"brown people bad" is like a core rightside US political value. it might be one of the ONLY right values left

The "left" sees Palestine (Gaza in particular) as an occupation- the powerful (Israel), subjugate the weak (Gaza). as the left is generally anti current power structures and subjugation they are against it

The "right" sees Palestine (Gaza in particular) as hosting and formenting a terrorist force against a rightful ruler (Israel), who generally stands alongside the right against the "enemies" of the right- communists; islamists etc.

Is Israel swung back to being communist I think the right would be less likely to support Palestine (and vice versa.)

I don't think it's the core value in 2024 - especially if trump wins this round again. The gop is picking up Latino men and older minorities despite trumps rhetoric and the racist whites.

he's said he wants to start the biggest deportation event in history on day 1.

people being stupid and voting stupid doesn't change the core values.

Maybe its still the leading core value, but that value alone doesn't get trump in the WH in 2024 no matter how hard racists press the vote button. Trump has an uncanny ability, with the help of the media to take basically any issue and give out the perception that he'd be better at it than the dems. And that ability to do so is more powerful than we give credit to - which is why he can say that he is going to deport everyone and not go down I'm the polls.

that's what conmen are good at. you are describing a conman. trump is bad at many things including governing, running profitable businesses, being a decent human being, but he's a very gifted conman. and confidence is key to winning over dumb people.

I would frame this sentiment a bit differently. Trump has an uncanny ability to convince people--not all people, but enough people--that what they perceive as the bad parts are just talk.

Trump's is highly delusional and paranoid, of course, but he is relatively transparent.

His excessive self-praise is a reflection of his actual narcissism. His instinct to demean women is a reflection of his actual views about women. His public contempt for the press reflects his actual low regard for the media. In Trump's mind, the proper aim of media should be to fluff him and attack his enemies. Nothing else.

And when Trump talks about what he wants to do to the executive branch specifically and government generally, he isn't bluffing. He means it.

I don't see a mass deportation event as a bad thing as long as we increase legal immigration once illegal immigration is under control. Under normal circumstance I think a mass deportation event would be a terrible thing for any country, but these last 4 years have been anything but normal when it comes to immigration. There are still a lot of cities that are struggling to take care of this massive influx.

so brown people out->non brown people in is your solution. that's pretty on brand and proving the point.

why bother with all that expense since you seem to try and pretend your fiscally conservative. just give everyone that's already here tax ID numbers and get them on the path to citizenship and paying into the tax base.

Yep. This is far more treasonous than anything Trump has been accused of doing.

now that is for the fringe conspiracy thread. lol.

Most things maga belong there.

I know the Daily Mail can be tabloidish but you think they just made that story up whole cloth or what is your take?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...erability.html

this is the article. I think the headline leaves some important details out.

also contrary to Musk's tweet, I dont think they can vote. lol.

I'll have to look into that program for some Colombians and Venezuelans I know. Getting a visa for the US isn't easy for them.

the conspiracy theory is that illegal immigrants are voting en masse and that's the reason that Biden is allegedly weak on the border. that's nonsense fodder for idiots like Elon..

i'm assuming the actual story is just that the US brought valid LEGAL asylum seekers out of danger areas to the US while they are going through the LEGAL process of asylum. and the "vulnerabilities" aren't from the asylum seekers, but telling the governments of those countries where all the individuals seeking asylum were being flown out from..

this may surprise you, but most immigrants who came in legally through the system are heavily anti illegal immigration - they are the immigrants who vote

I thought all the voter fraud people had been dunked on so hard about their crazy claims that they wouldn't be dumbe enough to come back with "caravnas of illegals are voting demONcratz!1!" but i guess i was giving them too much credit.

i'm sure they aren't a monolith. feel free to post that data. here's some that would lean towards saying the opposite.

https://www.kff.org/racial-equity-an...nts-in-the-us/



regardless, almost nothing is more american than attempting to pull up the ladder you used to climb to where you are so that others cant..

slighted, i specifically said legal immigrants

you countered that with "all immigrants"

if you don't see why your data is garbage as a response then i can't help you