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02-07-2024 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Can you name 5 or so things you believe trump did that show he acted against the national interest?



Montreal, if you want to discuss how a president who had the best opportunity in our lifetime to extend his power failed to do so and in fact fought hard against federal government overreach is going to take a 180 and want to run the world I think you will get more traction in the conspiracy theory thread. I think the odds of this happening are slightly worse than the odds of big foot, an alien and a t-rex landing in a UFO in your backyard and inviting you onto the UFO to fly around for a bit, but you can discuss both of these things in the conspiracy theory thread.



I know dems are scared of the will of the people, but even they know taking democracy off the ballot will likely end the dem party as we know it. They could maybe save the party in 10 or so years by splitting off and saying banning a political opponent from being on a ballot is anti-democracy and the new splintered party could be called "Democrats for Democracy".

Doesn’t this stuff get moved to the conspiracy theory thread anymore?
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02-07-2024 , 02:10 PM
This is the Democrats best

Cmon Joe its Hamas . Will give you a pass on Macron as it kind of sounds close

A vote for Biden gets you Harris

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02-07-2024 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
Yes they had "none of these candidates" as an available choice and more than 60% of people chose that.
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02-07-2024 , 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Can you name 5 or so things you believe trump did that show he acted against the national interest?
Sure. In an attempt to generate support for his border policy, he intentionally used language that was intended to generate animus against people that didn't deserve animus.

He deliberately courted the support of white supremacists and other groups that occupy the gutter of American society.

He actively and with no basis undermined public confidence in election results.

He normalized lying to a degree that I would have thought impossible for a president.

From the beginning of his administration, he prioritized personal loyalty to him over competence when selecting his cabinet and staff. By the end of his term, loyalty and subservience seemingly were the only criteria for most positions.

He did everything in his power to undermine and eliminate the independence of the DOJ. He wasn't entirely successful, but it wasn't for lack of trying.
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02-07-2024 , 03:33 PM
Don't forget trying to get dirt on a political opponent from another foreign leader by threatening to withhold congress approved aid. And lying about it. And obstruction. Well the second two were continuing themes.
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02-07-2024 , 03:36 PM
Former Trump Voter: Why He Won't Vote For Trump Again

13 years in the Marine Corps reserves, 32 years as a union millwright in the building trade of Ohio

hits the nail on the head with everything he says

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02-07-2024 , 04:21 PM
And he drove a golf cart on the green
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02-07-2024 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
And he drove a golf cart on the green
What the actual ****.

I just googled this and video existed before the 2016 election. I'd never heard this. Instant disqualification.

WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY
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02-07-2024 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Sure. In an attempt to generate support for his border policy, he intentionally used language that was intended to generate animus against people that didn't deserve animus.

He deliberately courted the support of white supremacists and other groups that occupy the gutter of American society.

He actively and with no basis undermined public confidence in election results.

He normalized lying to a degree that I would have thought impossible for a president.

From the beginning of his administration, he prioritized personal loyalty to him over competence when selecting his cabinet and staff. By the end of his term, loyalty and subservience seemingly were the only criteria for most positions.

He did everything in his power to undermine and eliminate the independence of the DOJ. He wasn't entirely successful, but it wasn't for lack of trying.
I disagree the 5 points you listed are a weakening of national interest.

Want actual trump actions that undermined American interest?

1) tariffs with Europe over the inane airbus/Boeing controversy
2) the freaking credible threat of not using article 5 of NATO to defend a NATO country that doesn't spend 2% of GDP for defense
3) no ambassador to UK, s Korea for a long while (jfc)
4) related to 3) a severe annihilation of the State department, treated as a useless thing while it is one of the most important role of government even under minarchism
5) he treated actual enemies better than allies in the public sphere constantly
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02-07-2024 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
I disagree the 5 points you listed are a weakening of national interest.

Want actual trump actions that undermined American interest?

1) tariffs with Europe over the inane airbus/Boeing controversy
2) the freaking credible threat of not using article 5 of NATO to defend a NATO country that doesn't spend 2% of GDP for defense
3) no ambassador to UK, s Korea for a long while (jfc)
4) related to 3) a severe annihilation of the State department, treated as a useless thing while it is one of the most important role of government even under minarchism
5) he treated actual enemies better than allies in the public sphere constantly
As for #3 that should be the policy if you do not contribute 2% we will not defend you . The thing is all the other countries know the USA loves war and will defend them Ukraine should be Europe's problem

As for #5 a few of the countries openly mocked Trump at Official Functions and deserved it
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02-07-2024 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
As for #3 that should be the policy if you do not contribute 2% we will not defend you . The thing is all the other countries know the USA loves war and will defend them Ukraine should be Europe's problem

As for #5 a few of the countries openly mocked Trump at Official Functions and deserved it
Ye let's leave Malta (not in NATO but we would all defend it) to the assailant because they didn't pay more for useless administrative jobs in their "armed forces"
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02-07-2024 , 05:34 PM
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Ye let's leave Malta (not in NATO but we would all defend it) to the assailant because they didn't pay more for useless administrative jobs in their "armed forces"
Look at my country Canada were a total joke when it comes to our pledge
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02-07-2024 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
4) related to 3) a severe annihilation of the State department, treated as a useless thing
100% agree on this.
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02-07-2024 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Sure. In an attempt to generate support for his border policy, he intentionally used language that was intended to generate animus against people that didn't deserve animus.
Can you be more specific as this doesn't ring a bell. I know there was a buzz back then that he said essentially some mexicans are better than other mexicans, but that shouldn't qualify as language intended to do anyone harm.

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Originally Posted by Rococo
He deliberately courted the support of white supremacists and other groups that occupy the gutter of American society.
Can you be specific on what he was doing to court white supremacists?

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Originally Posted by Rococo
He actively and with no basis undermined public confidence in election results.
I agree he used the dem playbook on this one by trying to convince others to question an election. However, to be fair to him we know that it was not a fair election and dems colluded with the intelligence committee and the press to lie to make joe more electable.

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Originally Posted by Rococo
He normalized lying to a degree that I would have thought impossible for a president.
Welcome to politics my friend. I hate to be the one to tell you this, but this is extremely normally at every level of politics all across the globe. The people that don't know politicians lie are the same people who believe in the Easter Bunny.
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02-07-2024 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Can you name 5 or so things you believe trump did that show he acted against the national interest?



Montreal, if you want to discuss how a president who had the best opportunity in our lifetime to extend his power failed to do so and in fact fought hard against federal government overreach is going to take a 180 and want to run the world I think you will get more traction in the conspiracy theory thread. I think the odds of this happening are slightly worse than the odds of big foot, an alien and a t-rex landing in a UFO in your backyard and inviting you onto the UFO to fly around for a bit, but you can discuss both of these things in the conspiracy theory thread.



I know dems are scared of the will of the people, but even they know taking democracy off the ballot will likely end the dem party as we know it. They could maybe save the party in 10 or so years by splitting off and saying banning a political opponent from being on a ballot is anti-democracy and the new splintered party could be called "Democrats for Democracy".
Lol baham .
U say it’s a conspiracy yet it’s all former trump advisors that say so and openly say it !
Now u think it’s conspiracy or they lie !
U chose .
I rather wish they lie but unfortunately I think they really meant it !
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02-07-2024 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey



I agree he used the dem playbook on this one by trying to convince others to question an election. However, to be fair to him we know that it was not a fair election and dems colluded with the intelligence committee and the press to lie to make joe more electable.
I understand claiming "rigged elections" can always make some political sense when results are close.

But man Trump lost by a truckfull of votes in too many states.

Let's buy the idea Georgia was stolen (it is actually possible, I don't deny that as a conspiracy theory).

Even with that and Wisconsin (I again accept, as a theoretical possibility , some wild claims about dead people voting in Wisconsin) he still loses the election.

Do you really think they stole republican governed AZ and PA as well? I don't tbh.

If instead you mean they tried to control the narrative... I mean everyone does that's not stealing that's the game
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02-07-2024 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Look at my country Canada were a total joke when it comes to our pledge
I am actually thankful for the Canadian lives sacrificed during WW2 to save our euro asses from nazi-fascism
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02-07-2024 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
I am actually thankful for the Canadian lives sacrificed during WW2 to save our euro asses from nazi-fascism
That was back when Canada's military was respected and don't get me wrong the men and women that serve now are highly respected but our troops are depleted, our equipment is outdated and we do a crappy job taking care of our veterans.

Were actually cutting a billion back from defense
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02-07-2024 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
That was back when Canada's military was respected and don't get me wrong the men and women that serve now are highly respected but our troops are depleted, our equipment is outdated and we do a crappy job taking care of our veterans.

Were actually cutting a billion back from defense
It would be proper to do something more yes.

There is no arc of history, it is up to us, voters, citizens, participants in society to get things to their proper state even if it means "going back" sometimes from some trends we consider bad.

We can win, there is no ultimate necessarily ultra progressive endgame, unless we give up
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02-08-2024 , 12:39 AM
I'd have to think the S&P 500 hitting a whopping 5k is a good thing for Biden if it can sustain another 9 months. Who knows what happens from here, but the people that benefits certainly have a very high voter turnout rate (olds, professionals)
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02-08-2024 , 05:26 PM
I guess there is two forms of Justice one for Biden and one For Trump

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/polit...1d21905c&ei=13

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President Joe Biden “willfully” retained and disclosed highly classified materials when he was a private citizen, including documents about military and foreign policy in Afghanistan and other sensitive national security matters, according to a Justice Department report

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“Given Mr. Biden’s limited precision and recall during his interviews with his ghostwriter and with our office, jurors may hesitate to place too much evidentiary weight on a single eight-word utterance to his ghostwriter about finding classified documents in Virginia, in the absence of other, more direct evidence.”

“We have also considered that, at trial, Mr. Biden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory,” investigators wrote.
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02-08-2024 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
I guess there is two forms of Justice one for Biden and one For Trump

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/polit...1d21905c&ei=13
i never thought it would be that hard for you to understand the difference between willingly and unwillingly do something...
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02-08-2024 , 06:10 PM
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i never thought it would be that hard for you to understand the difference between willingly and unwillingly do something...
Yeah Trump willingly took the documents and Biden willingly took the documents and shared them

The report says he willfully kept the documents
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02-08-2024 , 06:16 PM
Can presidents stop taking classified documents home? Is that too high of a bar?
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02-08-2024 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
Can presidents stop taking classified documents home? Is that too high of a bar?
Biden wasn’t President when he took these all home and shared them
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