Trump doesn't care too much about DEI, about trans, and didn't want to ban TikTok, just to mention a couple of things GOP care about and legislated about

The biggest change to the tax law that trump did was double the standard deduction. That has very little impact to the rich and is a massive tax cut for the poor and lower middle class.

You can't seriously believe that repubs will increase spending more than dems. Almost every dem runs on the platform of more gov't spending and increasing the size of gov't while most repubs run on the opposite.

How can you say repubs want to increase spending ("GOP ... increases spending") and in the same sentence complain that they are cutting gov't spending ("and simultaneously cuts public programs that people rely on")?

It's not super useful to go by what politicians say -- at least not in this manner. You can't take them literally.

GOP increases debt far than Democrats in the past 40 years and it's not close. Every single GOP presidential administration since Clinton has doubled the debt. The pattern seems to be: GOP puts the country into the shitter, Dems fix it, repeat.

Cutting public programs does not mean deficit or debt reduction and can definitely be a net negative for the system.

Yup +1
Might be the time to post those 3-4 graph (about the debt , m2, etc) from 1980 that baham always ignores which totally obliterate his narrative that democrats spend more and create more debt then republicans .

In the broadest scale of the political spectrum, how far apart do you believe Dem and Repub policies actually are?

Broadly: democrats align conservative democratic, republicans conservative authoritarian.

Democrats have remained unchanged, maybe more socialist on the fringes. Republicans have changed and shifted dramatically towards authoritarianism -- and most recently whatever MAGA wants to destroy. Given the 2020 results, that might be America.

This election really isn't about policy. It's about Trump.

My wife does home health. She's in people's houses all day.

Most of her patients rarely leave the home. They literally sit and watch Fox News all day. They obsess over trump and biden. As hard as she tries, she can't veer the conversation away from that. It's all they talk about.

My favorite was a man that told her Biden was trying to outlaw cash so nobody could buy a gun.

Yesterday, the lady went on and on about the judge was treating Trump very badly and it was unfair. She also tossed in that her son lost his job because of Biden.

These aren't one offs. Probably 75% of her patients fit this description.

lolwat and montreal claiming that stopping a battleship is the same as stopping a car - what is new?

I have read a lot of your all's posts and yet I am still left in awe that either of you can think that we feel 100% of the economic effects of a new policy as soon as it passes and 0% of those effects when a new president is elected.

No doubt that there are whack jobs who obsess over how great or evil trump or biden are. I am sure this is far more prevalent in people who are confined to being inside their homes.

Meanwhile....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rnc-maga-...192247922.html

KS added:
The Republican National Committee’s senior counsel for election integrity, Christina Bobb, was arraigned Tuesday at a Maricopa County, Arizona, courthouse, pleading not guilty to charges that she was part of a plan to overturn the 2020 presidential election and keep Donald Trump in the White House.

Lol !
At least u have a quote about this ?

He’ll why don’t u ever post any chart of any data at all to sustain your insane economic takes ?
Ho yes cause u can’t !!

It’s ok I guess I have to post those 3-4 charts again just for you …..

Here u go baham .
Debt to gdp
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GFDEGDQ188S
Clearly the vast majority of big increase of debt to gdp is under republicans ….by far !


Budget deficit to gdp
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYFSGDA188S

Again clearly we see deficit under democrats are less then deficit from republicans .
It’s actually pretty telling the last 45 years .
All line going up are under democrats (lower deficit) and all line going down (deficit increases ) are under republicans…

Baham recked again . Ho yes baham got absolutely no data to support one word of his spew about anything …
The problem isn’t democrats are not at fault , they are in some circumstances .
What is insane is baham totally absolving all republican actions and putting the blame on democrats lol.

in a huge surprise to no one with a brain, nikki haley has kissed the ring.

I think it's just about Griffin having given up on her

https://www.businessinsider.com/rece...-wealth-2024-5

You didn’t answer the question.

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Trump, courting black voters, on Thursday at a rally invited rappers Sheff G and Sleepy Hallow up onto the stage with him

both have been charged with conspiracy to commit murder

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Of course I did. I said Ds are conservative democratic and Rs are conservative authoritarian. Are you familiar with the political spectrum?

The question was how far. Like close, far, etc? And do you think todays candidates represent the policy positions of those parties

I don't think we share enough context to have a conversation. Not close. Rs are authoritarian with policies influenced by Christianity who seem determined to destroy all public programs like social security and the postal service.

sure the party that wants to ban the sale of internal combustion engine cars is conservative

I'm not sure how effective switching to EVs will be with regard environmental conservation, but it's certainly a conservative policy. Maybe an example of progressive conservatism?

Man conservatism means wanting to keep thing as they are. Being in favour of any radical change about anything in society is the literal opposite of conservatism.

environmental conservation can be conservative when it is, say, about keeping the balance of fauna and flora in check and working to fix unbalances and so on. Can't be about asking *any* significant change to household behaviours though.

Right-wing minarchists?

A lot of these people who call themselves the American Libertarian Party (who aren't actually libertarians, but call themselves that) hate abortion and drugs and aren't even LGBTQ+-friendly oppose government involvement in women's bodies, the choice of drug use, and marriage.

Culturally, they're a mix of libertines and cultural conservatives, united on economic issues and the general role of the state. But the cultural conservatives do exist in this faction.

You are a bit confused. While there is certainly a split among libertarians about abortion (but it isn't about body rights, rather about when the fetus becomes a life worth protecting under Non Aggression Principle), there isn't any about drugs, complete legalization of production and sale of drugs (all substances actually) is 1010 libertarianism and shared by approx all libertarians.

LGBTQ+ is as for abortion, only about minors. There is no split, no complicated issue, for adults, being free to do what they want with their body (ofc with absolutely no public money ever involved though), and all discussion is about minors, when NAP applies and you need third party decision because the individual isn't capable of decide by himself.

If instead you are thinking about societal obligations toward "lgbtq+", they don't exist in general under libertarianism for anyone, no one can be forced to comply with your preferences in general, and libertarianism posits a full unalienable right to discriminate for private actors, so i don't understand why that looks anti-libertarian to you.

No owe is owned anything unless a contract is signed toward that, rights are strictly only negatives (things other can't do to you, never things other have to give you) and so on.

The NAP is rooted in self-ownership.

"The proper groundwork for analysis of abortion is in every man's absolute right of self-ownership. This implies immediately that every woman has the absolute right to her own body, that she has absolute dominion over her body and everything within it. Thls includes the fetus. Most fetuses are in the mother's womb because the mother consents to this situation, but the fetus is there by the mother's freely-granted consent. But should the mother decide that she does not want the fetus there any longer, then the fetus becomes a parasitic "invader" of her person, and the mother has the perfect right to expel this invader from her domain. Abortion should be looked upon, not as "murder" of a living person, but as the expulsion of an unwanted invader from the mother's body. Any laws restricting or prohibiting abortion are therefore invasions of the rights of mothers." -- Murray Rothbard, "The Ethics of Liberty", p. 98