glad we got 2 debates but was really hoping for at least 3. i assume one o the debates will be 3 hours hopefully

Did I miss where she said illegal? I'm not pulling up the article again but it's not in the quote I provided. I also don't think she even attempted to take this to a court, as Trump did, right?

Since when is hacking legal? Hacking is listed as a "tactic" purportedly employed by Trump to win elections, hence the illegitimacy of his presidency (according to HRC).

Afaik no, she didn't attempt to take this to court

Right, so nowhere in this did she say that the election results were not truly what they were. She did not claim that Trump changes votes in any way. This is in contrast to Trump who claims that he did actually win the election. Glad we could clear that up.

Illegitimate means exactly that. That the results were predicated on large scale fraud, and/or illegal actions. Which is what Trump claimed after 2020 as well.

When she says hacking what is she implying if not hacking of voting machines?

But yes I understand, words lose all meaning in this forum .

"Totally in contrast to Trump"

Illegitimate president

STOLEN election



https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/p...on/1116477001/

Totally different



https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...nton-rcna55764

You obviously don't even know the facts of what we are discussing, so I will just leave this here and be on with my day: https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/26/us/20...cts/index.html

Sure that hacking, not the alleged hacking that Pelosi and Schiff talked about sure

Trump went as far as to show random footage of poll volunteers doing their job in a 100% legal and ethical manner according to law enforcement and republican polling officials and claiming malfeasance. This required police protection for these individuals. Really nothing can normalize Trump’s behavior post election and the attempts are as lame as you would expect. That’s why you have to dishonestly leave out major major facts like a concession speech, everyone expected attending Trump’s inauguration etc to make lie fueled false equivalency. A simple honest reading of the facts of course shows a large difference.

Trump behavior isn't being normalized, it's that HRC and some other democrats did deny the legitimacy of the election as well.

And it's quite hard to accept moral lessons from people who deny that.

Basically the only people who can teach others morals about recent events are never Trumpers on the right

This is rich.

Never knew you to be a never-Trumper, Luc.

I wasn't, which is why i am not moralizing.

I am just saying that if you find Trump a big threat to democracy because of his election denial (I don't), then HRC and other democrats should be at least small threats to democracy as well, if you want to keep any sense of intellectual honesty.

I am pro Biden v Trump though (as I wrote months ago), or at least I was until.Biden went crazy a few days ago with tariffs, for me the main reason to prefer Biden to Trump till then.

This election it's actually a lot easier to be pro Biden than in 2020 (from the right).

Senate is almost certainly going to be republican (that wasn't obvious at all in 2020) , so no tax increase or extra deficit spending can pass easily, and there isn't COVID anymore, so no risk of insane freedom violations in that regard by a democrat administration.

Regulatory follies are a risk but Biden hasn't exaggerated too much wrt oil & gas extraction this mandate, and there is still hope SCOTUS reduces federal agencies power this term further reducing the risks.

Given Ukraine, where Biden behaved very well, it's still on balance reasonable to prefer Biden to Trump imho.

But I am not a never trumper in the sense of "any democrat would be better than trump" no, not at all

The tone in just about every post of yours is high-horse moralizing. You should be able to see this unless you have Trump-like narcissism.

No, the tone is "you guys are defending HRC pls stop It 's indecent to defend that".

I am not throwing the stones to the sinners, I am saying you don't deserve to throw them as I don't.

They are defending someone who is fully indefensible and part of the problems they declare they want to solve and decry as highly immoral.

It's like defending someone who "only " shows his genitals to kids when discussing someone who actually rapes them

Yeah, i think you're onto something. Also, as with military, once you outsource the profits and politicians get a cut, waste becomes good. A more honest gov would try to keep spending down.

Credible Universities also have this weird insulation from the market because only they can give you the diploma, which is what you really want.

And the diploma doesn't just say "i know about this subject." It says "i'm a functional person who can jump through hoops."

And, college is also incredibly fun, where many people meet their spouse as well as life long friends and a great opportunity to network.

Still, when you could have a PhD individually tutor you on a subject for maybe 20% of what it costs to sit in a class with 100 students, and profs who are often barely involved with teaching, i feel like something has to give.

We’re really lucky to live in 2024, where this election year the two greatest presidents in American history are BOTH running against each other. An unprecedented wealth of leadership and talent avaiable to the American voter.

Time to get out of the poshest parts of Kansas and to see how the 99% are getting by.

mostly wanted to just say hi to everyone .

I’m extremely apathetic about this election, mainly because the two parties in this country are so close ideologically and in policy. Sure, there are some differences, but my day to day hasn’t been affected by who is president over the past 20 years. I can’t imagine this one being different - despite the personalities involved being such opposites

This is basically going to be like if George Washington was running against Abe Lincoln.

you jest but im looking at what dems and repubs can trot out there and WOWWW has the last 5-6 years or so in politics been super bleak for candidates. legit as of right now who are the dems and repubs best chances if neither trump or biden wantd to run?

im sure newsome would be edge favorite for dems but m lost as to what the repubs could do.


also in a ai vacuum i wonder how romeny stacks up running against trump or biden I assume hes a pretty big fav against either

For a little while there was the idea that 2024, could have been Newsom v De Santis, which at least on paper would have made sense given the radical differences in managing COVID to begin with, and the difference in political ethos between California and Florida

forgot about desantis.

one think i wil say about newsome is that, hes a great politician, doesnt have any steadfast beliefs ive seen him change his stances on numerous thinks since covid while ron has been pretty steadfast

I gues it will be haley v desantis next repub run and newsome vs the field.

I didn't forget how in the few weeks when RDS was considered the possible republican nominee, democrats started claiming he was as bad as Trump if not worse (as a reminder that democrats consider the entire republican policy platform illegitimate, it's not about Trump, Trump is an excuse).

yeah desantis still took a hardline abortion ban but then changed it to 9 weeks and then last debate said he doesn't believe in abortion where trump in the last 3 months said its up to states. I took the signal as trumps team saying he needs to have some more moderate social views due to how they got slaughtered in elections due to dying on the abortions hill for no reason

Everyone knows GOP loses votes with abortion talk, problem is that's true everywhere EXCEPT in republican primaries, so they have to talk about it anyway in primary season (i am talking congressional primaries).

Idea if they are smart is they all pivot to positions much closer to the median voter in their area closer to the election, but not all of them are smart, and a few actually do believe their abortion stances, and good ads from opponents can **** with them in say october, showing what they said about abortion in march and stuff like that.

But this isn't too dissimilar to some democrats who have to claim extremist things like a willing to pay for healthcare for aliens, or open border positions, and so on to win primaries.