I was speculating on his life. I didn't call him stupid or lazy like you did of me. Moreover, look at the history. The man is obsessed with me. I'm a bit concerned for my well-being.

That's the problem when you allow big money into politics. Neither side is motivated to actually represent their constituents. They both work for the people who bribe them.

Obviously this is a symbiotic relationship and if one party decided to start doing it's job the other would have to follow suit so the system isn't working.

But.....and it's a big but, the GOP is still the fascist, racist, anti democracy party. The Dems have plenty of problems too but they're different problems and they haven't been actively trying to subvert the system for decades.

So while you have a point it's not really the gotcha you imagine it to be.

This.

Of course plenty of Dems went along with the war crimes and Obama bragged he was a moderate Republican while drinking fake water Fling.

It would be so damned easy for the Dems to clean house....but they just can't. FML

No I disagree no question Most Racists vote GOP but not all GOP are racists

Maybe many people do not support the democrats agenda.
Take Build Back Better as a bill I did not support any of it ( main components)I agree with Manchin on not supporting anything that is not means tested
I know many conservatives here in Canada and the USA that are good people. Some of them voted for Trump. There are many famous folks that voted Trump as well and I do not see them as deplorable

Personally if I had a vote I could not vote for Trump but I woulda have voted for Biden in 2020 Biden. If 2024 was Trump or Biden id stay home.

Though as deplorable as Trump is I think Trudeau is just as corrupt

Look at the numbers on What party you support and the Dems have lost 9 points

Damn the left media is turning on Biden as well. Donny Deutch said it well.
"He just looks old"

Read my post again as that is not what I am saying at all and it seems may be using my post to just copy/paste the typical what about Trudeau type whataboutism.


Again much of the GOP base may not in fact be racist or fascist, but since they think Trump will enact other policies they agree with and protect their power against the ongoing shift, they will hold their nose and vote for him. Because they know he will implement fascist ends that will harm broad swaths of their fellow citizens and they generally do not want that, they will PRETEND, like nohands is, that they are just not aware of that aspect.

So post election when Trump and Co do go full fascist and are clearly harming 'others' and most people with good conscious are rightly decrying it, those same people who voted for him can say 'I did not know about that aspect of him... don't blame me for that. I was just voting based on his economic stuff...'

No what I call deplorable is you have the chance to continue a child Tax credit that your previous president put in that bailed many out of poverty but you will not do it unless you can get other measures that only benefit the rich

You fail to see that many people vote GOP as the Dems keep promising them stuff they never deliver on.
Under Biden they see even though he may not be to blame
Criminals go free
Everything cost more
Covid is still bad

They could not care about Jan 6th. No one seems to look at things through another persons perspective. I guarantee no one here lost their job during Covid or their business

I am not arguing against this so it is not a counter point to what I am saying. It is pure whataboutism or 'change the topic'.


I am not arguing against this. It is pure whataboutism change the topic.


I am not arguing against this. It is pure whataboutism, change the topic.


I don't know how to say this any better in a way you can understand it lozen but I will try.

Everything you say above can be true. For sake of argument I can concede it all.

But that DOES NOT mean it cannot also be true that a bunch of GOP voters recognize DJT and GOP fascist bent and hold their nose while voting for him and then pretend they didn't know about all the fascist stuff.

BOTH CAN BE TRUE and my point here is to speak to those people.

You can say 'but I should understand all these other things' ...and I do. That does not mean I cannot raise this specific fascist element for discussion and we should not be free to discuss it without all the whataboutism.

You just can't help yourself, can you? The thread is about the GOP, no one has mentioned or cares about Trudeau in this thread because...it's a thread about the GOP.

Amazing that for a guy who says he isn't on the right, it seems really, really hard for you to criticize Trump without also telling us that Biden or Trudeau (or both) sucks.

Alright Ill give you that one but it was an example of two left leaders whom seem to care about many social issues but deliver poorly on them and fail to deliver.

Not sure how to link two folks

So tell me in the last term of Donald Trumps presidency what he has enacted that makes him facist?

Let me ask you this Do you think it is racist to ask someone to present an ID when voting?

We’ve been over this. It’s racist to push for voter ID laws because you’ve spent months simulating elections and have shown that voter ID will make it easier to win because it will prevent eligible black voters from voting. In North Carolina, they made the mistake of saying stuff like that directly in emails so even the Roberts court had to overturn some of their restrictions.

Weather I vote in a municipal, provincial or federal election in Canada you are required to present ID. You will never convince myself or the majority of folks that is not a reasonable request of someone. Now standing 6 hours in line to vote that is just wrong

Well in 10 months we will find out how badly the dems have done. It would not shock me if they end up with super majorities in both the house & senate. The only ones to blame will be the Dems.
Though CNN & MSNBC will get what they truly are praying for Trump in the whitehouse in 2024

You are using the context of our country, though, where things are done entirely differently. Yes, we require ID, but we make allowances for those who are not able to. Unfortunately, whether you can be convinced of it or not, it is an unreasonable request of some people.



https://www.elections.ca/content2.as...=faqvot&lang=e

Who cares if you think it’s reasonable or not? It’s racist to write laws requiring IDs solely because you’ve done the legwork and know it will prevent black voters from voting as in North Carolina. Why can’t you admit that?

Lol…ya. Who’d be surprised if Republicans won every single senate seat up including NY, CA and Hawaii AND 3 additional Democratic Senators inexplicably retire in the next 11 months to be replaced by republicans granting them a supermajority come Jan 2023? Completely reasonable scenario and not something some clown who heard the term supermajority once regurgitated without understanding what it is or how to achieve it.

That link still requires you to provide some form of ID. It just shocks me that there are folks in the USA that have No ID of any form


We all that will never happen. Am I incorrect in the term super majority. In the Senate is it not 60 seats. I just remember the phrase from Obama's first year. They referred to him as having a super majority which i thought to mean you have enough votes in the senate and house to pass anything along party lines

67 is supermajority when the other party holds the presidency because of veto, but 60 is not happening either, without Republicans somehow winning in some places that aren’t even considered competitive. The house is even more insane. The fact that you “wouldn’t be surprised” if it happens just means you’ve put 0 thought into it.

I guess we wait and see. 10 months is still a fair amount of time. As for 2024 we saw how quickly Cuomo fell so a lot can happen before than as well.

Thanks for the info on the supermajority I did not realize the number changes depending on the presidency . So 67 is a pipe dream

Yeah, but we don't need to wait to know that neither party will have a super majority in either chamber of Congress after the 2022 midterms.

i think that's the point of the whole "they stole the election from us" but they don't say it.

the idea is that DJT should still be president no matter the election results.... at least that's more intellectually honest.

i think there are enough reasonable R's in senate and supreme court and maybe even the house that this won't happen.. BUT PEOPLE ARE CORRECT TO BE VERY CONCERNED.... the supreme court conservatives are mostly interested in the constitution and Trump becoming a dictator would make a mockery of that. and lots of R senators are simply good people (utah, alaska etc.) or are from swingey states that they don't buy into all the lies and intimidation.

i am really hoping that demographic changes and movement around the country will make it very difficult difficult for R's to win presidency in future... if Texas goes soft D and Florida goes back to neutral, it would be very very hard for R's to win the presidency. but might not be enough change for 2024.

so 60 and 67 are the key numbers.. yeah, that won't happen even with R's having some outside chance at mathematically getting to 60. a fair number of R senators won't go along with the skullduggery (of course that's with today's senators. in 5-6 years, who knows)

this is such a long shot, but can we please abolish the senate? so undemocratic..... sure, little states need a voice, but they should be able to push through things that the vast majority of the american people don't want. that's not about protecting their little state. that's about using a disproportionate senate to change america.

When you quote the person you see this [QUOTE]. Add inside the square bracket the persons name with an equal sign. . That is all you need to do. Equal sign plus any name or word you want to put in there.




I know you know this but they have been systemically removing or getting voted out all the officials at all levels who blocked his steal the last time while putting in place people who were saying the election was stolen the last time.

As Trump just said "the vote counters are more important than the candidate".

he is trying to make sure that State by State he can yell 'Stop the count' in areas he is winning and they will do it. He can yell "Keep counting" in areas he is behind and they will do it.

If the States then certify based on an incomplete count the SC or no body really has any way to do anything about that. The States control the process and the certifications.



NO.

But what the GOP is doing in that area is racist.

They have systemically looked at every thing and every area they can make it harder for POC to vote and to make them jump hoops to vote.

They have groups combing thru all the data, and if they see blacks have less of one kind of ID they then REQUIRE that form ID despite prior others ID's being fine and there being no issue of voter fraud to begin with. IF Blacks vote more on Sundays they target Sunday voting. It is not racist to block Sunday voting per se, but the reason they are doing it is.

They know blacks wait in lines often hours longer than whites and others so they pass a law to say not to give them water in line.

Everything is being targeted to make it harder and that is racist even if certain people want to try and cover for that reasoning.

I was also speculating about you.. Seems like the same thing.

Question for a Moderator:

May I respond to the bolded above by giving my Biblically-based broadbrush take on the current Democrat Party? Or is only broadbrushing of the GOP allowed? Thanks.

Did you even read the link, or the screenshot? It's for people, in Canada, who have no ID. Just like in the US. It provides them with alternative ways to provide identification. It allows them to get a letter from a soup kitchen or shelter. It allows someone to vouch for them. It provides numerous ways to vote without a government ID. There are people in all sorts of situations that we're lucky enough to not understand, that have no home and certainly bigger things to worry about than how to get a government ID when they don't even have a permanent place to live, just so they can vote.

It makes me a little sad that you can be *shocked* that there are people in the US without ID, because I'm sure that means there are millions more like you who are just as stuck inside their own bubbles, and that's how laws get passed that make it harder for the most vulnerable and disadvantaged to vote. And it's not a bug of these laws getting passed...it's a ****ing feature. Think about that for a bit.

WTF is Manchin talking about. This is gaslighting of the highest order.

We don't need to pass any voting rights legislation because the "Government" will stop any such abuse. Who does he think he represents when he says no to 'blocking legislation to stop any such abuse'.

It seems he thinks there is a shadow organization behind him called "The government" and he is saying 'don't worry, they got this'.

It is absurd on its face to say something like that.














Every reported needs to hammer him on that. If he is saying there is current gov't legislation that can over ride the laws the various States are passing Manchin needs to explain exactly what that is.

we have a vice president