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Since the Green Party hasn't announced yet, and crime and justice is on everyone's hit list for 2020, thought I would post the Libertarian view point:

Libertarians believe that the existing justice system is seriously flawed.
One of the biggest problems we face today is that many things that should not be considered crimes are labeled as crimes. Worse yet, many of these actions are punished more harshly than are violent crimes.

Libertarians believe that the label of “crime” should be limited to actions of force or fraud against another individual or group. We believe that such crimes should be prosecuted and punished by our justice system but that actions that don’t involve force or fraud should not be criminalized or penalized in the first place.

We believe that ending the racist War on Drugs is an essential part of any plan to improve our justice system. Millions of people, disproportionately people of color, are arrested, jailed, and given a criminal record because they voluntarily chose to consume something. Not only is it immoral for the government to decide what is and is not acceptable for people to consume, criminalizing drugs does nothing to reduce the scourge of drug addiction and abuse. The War on Drugs hurts the people we should be trying to help and diverts criminal justice resources away from prosecuting actual crimes committed against people and property. For more information on Libertarian opinions on the War on Drugs, visit here.

Libertarians also believe that our current justice system has many punishments that far outweigh the crimes committed. We believe that punishments should be proportional to the crime committed and should be fair and humane. Prison systems across the country are commonly reported in the news for their terrible living conditions. Libertarians believe this must change. All people’s rights matter, whether they are incarcerated or not. Our prisons need to be as safe, clean, and humane as possible.

Additionally, our justice system currently sets up former inmates for failure. When someone is released from prison, the goal is for them to find a steady job, stable living situation, and avoid criminal activity. Evidence shows that overly long prison terms do very little to reduce recidivism and may actually make it more likely for someone to re-offend. Currently, recidivism rates are very high. These rates could be easily reduced by making prisons more humane (so that prisoners are not physically and psychologically traumatized by the experience), making sentences more reasonable and proportional to the offense, and welcoming offenders who have served their sentences back into society and the workforce.

In summary, Libertarians want to see crimes that are truly crimes prosecuted and punished. Libertarians also want behavior that does not involve force or fraud legalized and dealt with outside the criminal justice system. We want to see justice for victims and also justice for the accused and convicted. The rights of every person matter and we must not turn a blind eye to the rights of the accused or the convicted.

Pretty cool, right? Give Jo Jorgensen a chance!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKdAv5HA7UE

yeah, she isn't Ron Paul, but she might be even better! Get on board with the ideas!

You don't like Trump, you don't like Biden? Give Jo Jorgensen a chance! Unfortunately, Ron Paul believes his son would make a great President in 2024 (he would) and is unlikely to give Jo Jorgensen the nod, but that is where his heart is!

Does people in America think they have democracy?

She's clearly better than Ron Paul from a Libertarian perspective. Ron Paul aligns with Libertarians on a lot of things but gets some pretty big things wrong. I get the impression that he's ok with authoritarianism as long as it's coming from state government and not federal government. As a Libertarian I don't feel good about being associated with him.

Spike's platform is literally a joke from when he was running with satirist Vermin Supreme. I like the humor, but think running a joke candidate is a bad image.

At least Spike is trying to be a joke. Biden and Trump are jokes without intending to be.

Why would you think he's ok with authoritarianism on a state level? He supports decentralized govt. which means most issues are handled on the state (or local) level, rather than the federal level. It's also generally not the federal executive branch's role to decide whether individual states are too authoritarian. That would seem to fall more on the judicial branches of the federal govt. and that state, as well as the voters of that state.

Browni has a point. Ron Paul first supports the Constitution which allows state and local politicians to make authoritarian decisions within that framework. If it is not in the Constitution, is up to the states and people to decide (10th amendment). Allowing activist judges to reimagine the commerce clause is a total joke. Up to Ron Paul, the states and people would govern in a libertarian manner, but, if they went authoratarian on issues, he would speak out, but agree that it was their right to do so, if it didn't conflict with the Constiitution.

Spike wasn't Jorgensen's choice. The Libertarian's don't vote on a ticket. VP and Presidential choices are different ballots.

If I had to vote today, I'd probably vote the Jo & Spike ticket.

That is my current stance, as well. I will want to see her interview more. She might have a "What is Aleppo" moment.

Smudger summed up my feelings about him. I'm a youngin so I don't have enough experience with him to have really well informed opinions about him, though. My opinions are mostly based on what I've read and heard other people say about him.

Yeah, she wanted Monds, who ended up 2nd in votes.

I'm personally keeping an open mind with Spike, just worried people who aren't already Libertarian will dismiss him prematurely. Possibly those are just people we would never win over anyway, though. I'm told he was good in interviews.

Browni, you should really watch some Ron Paul speeches.

He clarified and fought for Libertarian Ideals better than any other candidate. Prior to his 2008 run for Republican President, no one even cared about the Federal Reserve.

When he ran for Libertarian President, he realized all his time was wasted getting on the ballots. He figured he would do more good by impacting the Republican Platform.

Here is a good clip from 2008 election on if Obama offers change:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez5robAWmu4

There were also a lot of good songs that supported his campign!

Here is one:

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9xzv7

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDSkjWmTy5M

Perhaps my all time favorite Ron Paul song! It features a catch tune, a cowboy hat and killer solo!

I will address Spike Cohen over the next few days. As well as a Pony Based Economy and Dental Police.

Spike Cohen, made me think of Spike Owen , didn’t even make his local news.

Wait we doesn't?

http://muddiedwatersoffreedom.com/spike-lptn/

Spike Cohen seems legitimate.

I will letter address Vermin Supreme, Dental Police and Pony Based economy.

Is "limited government" in the same boat as " defund the police"

I don't know your wealth status, but Libertarian agenda doesn't seem to bode well for those that ain't rich.

Vermin Supreme, wow.

In TX we open primary based on R or D. There is no bank of machines for L voters.

Biden and Trump is a hell of a Sophie's choice.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

Libertarians value personal liberty as the primary political virtue.

The job of the government is to protect the
personal freedom of every individual.

The government should protect each person from force and fraud. And to have a tort court for lawsuits.

Coining money would also be a duty of the government.

If only people didn't vote for Harambe Hillary would have won. Smh

What the hell is Jo Jorgensen doing?

I don't see her on CNN, I don't see her on MSNBC, I don't see her on FOX. I don't see her on OAN.

You can't win an election if you don't get out there!

Seriously, the Presidential Candidate of the Libertarian Party can't get on a FOX panel?

She really needs a better publicist.

Fox probably doesn't have too much interest in giving their viewers ideas that there might be an alternative to Trump.

CNN, MSNBC, BLOOMBERG?

ANYTHING????

How is she not getting out there spreading a really positive message about what limited government can achieve?

To this point, is really the most pathetic campaign ever.

idiot

Paperwork, really?

(what it really says is an end all those programs, which I think is non-starter for Congress, not to mention the American public)

She's not a serious candidate.