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10-21-2020 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by BetOnline Dan
Ok ill make this brief.
The freezeouts will gradually be removed. They are just temporary. The 80 min late reg tourneys with 2 entries max are fantastic. Now you look at them as 8 min blinds but you need to look at the average stack throughout the tournament. It is playing on average over 30bb throughout after late registration which is fantastic. We can make the blinds 10 or 12 or 15 minutes but then the tournaments is going to run 3 hours longer.

Im not sure why you would complain at 4-5 hour tournaments with a great structure and in the long run there will be alot more of them. If you want 8 hour tournaments that isnt a problem but then you still get people complaining that they run too long.

The starting stack is completely irrelevant as one poster said. Its just a number. I did work at wpn for 8 years and the schedule was based around regs. This different route im taking here is going to help recreationals and will be better for poker in the long term. Trust me when I say everything im trying to do is better for the players and poker in the long term.
Been taking a break from BOL till the normal schedule it back up and running, will have to give those a go. I have said it before will say it again...I think the 50k starting stack, 18 lvl structure is a good replacement for the old monster. The Deep structure is ideal for the base mtts. 5k starting stack, 11 levels last level 10 big blinds.

Looking forward to giving the 80 minute late reg mtts a go, like the idea of shorter late regs and more bbs during the last level.

If the plan is to remove megas and monsters I am all in favor, will see much more play from me. I moved nearly all my mtts away from BOL after it was clear last December they were here to stay. I will gladly play more mtts on BOL if it means a well structured mtt, shorter late reg, and for the most part a smaller field than on Ignition or WPN. The sportsbook will also see more action from me.

-Please don't remove the 1AM EST $11 Deep: $1000 Gtd. It meets the guarantee and is a fun one to cap the night on. It also only takes 3 3/4 to 4 1/2 hours to finish.
10-21-2020 , 01:54 PM
I was about to completly leave BOL as their tournaments had the worst structure of all poker sites available.After this whole downtime they came back finally with great structure as TD wrote it here before with avg being around 30+bb for the whole time.Yes the freezeouts are terrible but I believe its there for short time until they come back to normal or new structures.If you dont like them dont play them but if they dont give you freezeouts and schedule is empty you will complain anyway...ONLY thing TD should possibly do with the 50k starting stack and 80 minute latereg MMTs is that levels souhld be possibly longer from lets say 16th level or so....so once you hit semift or ft you are not playing 8 minute blinds but 10 or 12 ....but thats just an idea
10-21-2020 , 04:05 PM
TL;DR Keep some of the old tournaments for those who liked them, make sure the late reg overlaps for at least 4 to 6 tournaments at all levels (for micro,low,middle and higher stakes) ; Add some 3.3 and 4.4 and 5.5 tournaments in the mix. Keep some of the rebuys at all buyin levels. Apply all around the clock so the rest of the world can play,


- Ok some of new structure seems ok but that should not be the only offer, I like playing deeper.
- I like having the new freezouts (it sucks they are all turbo and short late reg) for those who don't have the time for big sessions or like the SnG format but there are periods of the day/night when there are only short late reg freezouts, this sucks, just and some with 10 and 12m blind levels and make it 1h 1h30 late reg.
- I used to always have 4 or 5 tournaments in late reg when starting a session and now it is not uncommon to have to wait to open one. I like to play 6-12 tournaments in later stages at a time and that seems impossible now.
- Also I can't understand why there are close to none $3.3 and $5.5 tournaments, that is detrimental to some bank rolls (if caring for a good management).
- Keep some of old rebuys, people loved them: great value for the players and BOL

btw where are the micro satellites (5.5 and 11) for the main that used to run all week?

Thank you.

Last edited by RManPT; 10-21-2020 at 04:30 PM.
10-21-2020 , 04:13 PM
Yes. More 50k starting 8 min level 80 min late reg tournaments! They’re fantastic.
10-21-2020 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BetOnline Dan
Ok ill make this brief.
The freezeouts will gradually be removed. They are just temporary. The 80 min late reg tourneys with 2 entries max are fantastic. Now you look at them as 8 min blinds but you need to look at the average stack throughout the tournament. It is playing on average over 30bb throughout after late registration which is fantastic. We can make the blinds 10 or 12 or 15 minutes but then the tournaments is going to run 3 hours longer.

Im not sure why you would complain at 4-5 hour tournaments with a great structure and in the long run there will be alot more of them. If you want 8 hour tournaments that isnt a problem but then you still get people complaining that they run too long.

The starting stack is completely irrelevant as one poster said. Its just a number. I did work at wpn for 8 years and the schedule was based around regs. This different route im taking here is going to help recreationals and will be better for poker in the long term. Trust me when I say everything im trying to do is better for the players and poker in the long term.
Thank you for the update Dan. I will give the new structures more of a shot/open mind. I like FlatALot's idea of having 10 or 12 minute levels kick in in the late stages of the tournaments. Something to consider.

Any idea on when we'll see a consistent schedule for MTT's? End of this week? Next week? In November?

I know you have the tournament series in November and with the cyber attack, sure you're keeping your hands full.

Thanks again for the update.
10-21-2020 , 09:48 PM
What is the point of giving everyone 50k chips and 8 min blinds? Everyone likes 5-10k chips 10-12 blinds. Why change what everyone liked? The only thing we are complaining about is the 3 hour late registration. Besides that the structures were fine as they were.
10-21-2020 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Shipmyway
What is the point of giving everyone 50k chips and 8 min blinds? Everyone likes 5-10k chips 10-12 blinds. Why change what everyone liked? The only thing we are complaining about is the 3 hour late registration. Besides that the structures were fine as they were.
What is the point of your post? You really think it matters what the starting stack is? PLEASE think before you reply
10-21-2020 , 10:03 PM
On top of that all the big grtd tournaments arent 80min late reg. They are 150min late reg.
10-21-2020 , 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Shipmyway
On top of that all the big grtd tournaments arent 80min late reg. They are 150min late reg.
Yeah. Its almost as if they said they were new and trying them out.

I've played a couple. They run pretty smooth. Maybe try it prior to bashing it
10-22-2020 , 09:40 PM
Anyone know when there will be a full nightly schedule again? And are rebuys gone forever? Wasn't in love with the schedule and structures before but the tournament selection is much much worse as it is right now. IMO. Hopefully this is temporary, otherwise pretty sad.

Last edited by NowWeGo; 10-22-2020 at 09:48 PM.
10-22-2020 , 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Shipmyway
What is the point of giving everyone 50k chips and 8 min blinds? Everyone likes 5-10k chips 10-12 blinds. Why change what everyone liked? The only thing we are complaining about is the 3 hour late registration. Besides that the structures were fine as they were.
This. But hey, at least BOL Dan tells us how awesome his new schedule and structures are.
10-22-2020 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by FlatALot
What is the point of your post? You really think it matters what the starting stack is? PLEASE think before you reply
No, the point is the schedule was good before besides the late registration problem. Completely revamping it was unnecessary.
10-22-2020 , 10:33 PM
Please bring back the PKOs. Essentially zero run at this point.
10-22-2020 , 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BetOnline Dan
I looked at numbers and yes it did overlay not just this week. As i mentioned it will take a while to really sort the schedule out but for now my instructions are to make small changes which will reduce the huge overlay we have had over the months. When you say semi turbo? I dont understand. A tourney that takes 5 hours or so to finish that plays between 20 - 34 bb throughout seems like a pretty decent structure. If you disagree then we can discuss. I like having these discussions for sure.
If this is referring to the 33r, 11r or 5r, this just isn't true. These tournaments have been smashing their guarantees for years, and even more so since the start of this year due to lockdown (the 33r a couple of times hasn't run on main event days but if it ever does, it smashes the GTD). (If this is the higher rebuys overlaying, then why take out the 33r 11r 5r? or just adjust your GTDs on the higher ones??)

There is no doubt some of the other structures need work, like it being possible to register for 5bb into a mega to boost the prize pool. (You are basically letting recs buy in not knowing how short they are, they bust and can re enter again)- how is this good for the ecosystem? But then remove the one that actually smashes the GTD with more players, not 5 entries from a recreational in the same 22 mega.

Feel like there is work to be done for sure, but don't just change everything because you feel like you have to prove yourself as a new TD to the site.
10-22-2020 , 11:02 PM
Yeah, the reason to remove the rebuys because 'they dont clean the GTD' doesn't sound reasonable to me as it's been pointed out many times here that's not true.

With that said, I will give credit to new TD when he says that the changes he has in mind are better for the players and the ecosystem long term. I dont know anything about designing an MTT schedule and just think about my personal ROI/hourly, so if someone that knows a thing or two about that asks for a vote of confidence I'll believe in him, until proven otherwise.
10-22-2020 , 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Aes
Are the GTD tournaments coming back in the morning? Like the 5K GTD $22 @ 8am est and the 12pm EST $109, $55, and $22s? Current schedule is very disappointing.
For tomorrow, from 5am-1pm pst, there is a whopping 12 MTT's on the schedule, with 1 being a satellite. There is a huge desertion of MTT's going on in this time slot.

I don't see a $5k @ 5am pst/ 8am est, nor do I see the 9am pst/ 12 pm est $109/$55/$22's. I used to play the 9 am pst/ 12 pm est $22 almost every weekday as it fits nicely into my schedule.

Looks like this time slot of early morning to beginning of afternoon is being neglected. I see tons of new guaranteed tournaments, more plo MTT's, promising looking structures, but all for the late afternoon/early evening timeslots.

If this is the way going forward, it's very disappointing.
10-22-2020 , 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by msw1984
For tomorrow, from 5am-1pm pst, there is a whopping 12 MTT's on the schedule, with 1 being a satellite. There is a huge desertion of MTT's going on in this time slot.
They just got back from a massive ddos attack that had the site down for almost a week.

I'll be the first one to complain if the changes made are proven to be detrimental in the long term but I think that making assumptions and complaining now is like booing a new manager after hes only been in charge of the team for a couple games where he couldn't use his best players due to injury.
10-23-2020 , 02:40 AM
lol still all cash games full of bot players. When will this site take the real problems first?
10-23-2020 , 02:43 AM
sounds dumb but sit at a 1-2 plus holdem cash table with noone in it and see ppl sit immediately. Everytime it fills up as soon as u sit in. Shits a joke
10-23-2020 , 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ramabranch
Yeah, the reason to remove the rebuys because 'they dont clean the GTD' doesn't sound reasonable to me as it's been pointed out many times here that's not true.

With that said, I will give credit to new TD when he says that the changes he has in mind are better for the players and the ecosystem long term.

We can give the benefit of the doubt but starting out with a lie is not the way to go imo
10-23-2020 , 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Shipmyway
lol still all cash games full of bot players. When will this site take the real problems first?
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Originally Posted by Shipmyway
sounds dumb but sit at a 1-2 plus holdem cash table with noone in it and see ppl sit immediately. Everytime it fills up as soon as u sit in. Shits a joke
Judging by the fact that you couldn't even find the correct thread to post in I'm highly skeptical about your ability to detect cash game bots. I'm quite familiar with these games and the bot situation has improved substantially in recent months. The cash games certainly aren't "full of bot players" like they once were.

On the other hand, your claims about the seating script issues, even as low as 200NL, does have merit. That doesn't mean the tables wouldn't fill quite quickly otherwise if a new or recreational player sits, as is the case on any site that allows seat selection, but the instantaneous joining within less than a second by multiple players is due to seating scripts. It's a prohibited software and the players using it need to be dealt with more consistently by network security.

Last edited by MCAChiTown; 10-23-2020 at 08:06 AM.
10-23-2020 , 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by MCAChiTown
Judging by the fact that you couldn't even find the correct thread to post in I'm highly skeptical about your ability to detect cash game bots. I'm quite familiar with these games and the bot situation has improved substantially in recent months. The cash games certainly aren't "full of bot players" like they once were.

On the other hand, your claims about the seating script issues, even as low as 200NL, does have merit. That doesn't mean the tables wouldn't fill quite quickly otherwise if a new or recreational player sits, as is the case on any site that allows seat selection, but the instantaneous joining within less than a second by multiple players is due to seating scripts. It's a prohibited software and the players using it need to be dealt with more consistently by network security.
See for yourself and get back to me. Theres absolutely no chance as soon as u sit in that multiple ppl sit in everytime. Ppl are def still using bot software. And no im not a new player. Ive talked to support about this in the past and they supposeable banned a bunch of ppl but its still obv not fixed
10-23-2020 , 10:23 AM
You seem to be confusing seating scripts with bots. One of those(bots) was an issue and has been cleaned up in recent months. The other(seating scripts) is still an issue that needs to be addressed better by network security.

I don't need to check and get back to you to know what's going on. I've regularly played in these games for years now. I almost certainly know what's going on on a day-to-day basis better than most players.
10-23-2020 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Shipmyway
See for yourself and get back to me. Theres absolutely no chance as soon as u sit in that multiple ppl sit in everytime. Ppl are def still using bot software. And no im not a new player. Ive talked to support about this in the past and they supposeable banned a bunch of ppl but its still obv not fixed
Sure. I saw for myself.

We turned in a couple dozen bots operating as a bot farm. Speak directly with security/integrity. Sent a second round of bots to them, instant response from their security team, thanked us for the data, and looking into them. The first group are gone, funds seized and sent to players in refunds.

You are 100% wrong. Are there some left, probably. They have a list of suspected players they are investigating. There is a bunch of new staff and their background is very strong.

Suggesting chico does nothing about bots or game integrity is ridiculous and absolutely false.
10-23-2020 , 12:01 PM
Hi Dan!

First of all, welcome to BOL! I do think that new TD with new vision was long overdue and I like some of the ideas you are implementing.

New 80 minutes reg with new levels is great, it does play a little deeper in later stages and ends quicker. I think everyone appreciates not to play for 3 hours and then have a bunch of people jump in with 5bbs and either max stall every hand to mincash or start shoving ATC in hopes of doubling up.

New freezouts are kinda cool as well. I think structure could use a little tweaking, but I think idea itself is very solid. Could always fire 1-2 upon the side if you have room and know it ends in ~ 1.5 hours. I think even after you hammer out regular schedule they could be kept on in some capacity as a hybrid of MTT and SNG. Like maybe have $5.5/$11/$22/$55 fire off every 2 hours or so? Something along these lines

I do miss PKOs and hope they come soon. I think vast majority of people like them.

Very sad to see nightly $11r to go, I hope you will reconsider it and bring it back. If it really overlays (which I honestly seen maybe 2-3 times and I played it very often) then maybe bring it back with a slightly lower guarantee. I believe pre-Corona it was $7.5 GTD, maybe pull it back to that level and see it hit $10k+ on most nights.

But overall I think you have a good feel for what people want - shorter reg, reasonably smaller % of the field paid (paying 25%+ is silly, it should be 15-20% of the field), structures that keep average stack at 30+ BBs, reasonable number of re-entries (let's be honest here, allowing 10 bullets turns $2k 5.5 into a $2k $55 for badrecs who will go broke much sooner and leave not just BOL but online poker altogether and this is not good for anyone)

And another suggestion that I had is regarding cash games, in particular 6+riles. I don't know if you have any authority over it. The rules are messed up and that's why there's no traffic at all. In your rules trips/sets beat straight and this messes up the game. Nobody is chasing straight draws when you can be dead to a flopped set and this completely kills the game. I guarantee if you could change that the traffic in 6+ games would be huge

      
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