Hi Guys,

Just to introduce myself. I was previously working for another site and have moved to Betonline.

I am under no illusions as to how big this task is and how much of a revamp for structures and for the schedule in general I will need to do. It's going to take me a while to get everything done as I cant just make changes here and there on the spot. I am planning on making some big changes with some test structures along the way which we will post about to let you know they are tests and to get feedback.

I have some big plans and ideas on the route I want to take but I also have to make sure its in line with the company model.

I would love to keep this thread pretty clean if possible and im definitely open to discussing privately with anyone that has any ideas what so ever.

I have big plans so I look forward to working with you all.

Dan

Only things I'd like to see would be ending late reg at 10bb stack or greater and maybe a nightly Boost Heads up tournament. Even something small with a tiny guarantee.

Also wouldn't mind some type of "day saver" hyper tournament. Something like a $20 $5k.

Looking forward to seeing the changes you implement.

I agree with above poster about closing registration with >10bb’s. Also some tournaments are paying more then25% of the field. These two factors are allowing players to reg on stone bubble with 5bb’s and stall till money. This completely destroy the structure.

For example the $55 Monster $7500 GTD at 12:00pm EST paid 44 with 157 entries. 28%.

Ok guys,

Running some test structures from tomorrow for a week or so and willing to change in-between depending on feedback.

Test tournaments are as follows:

12pm ET - Monster $7,500 GTD - $22

4pm ET - Mega $10,000 GTD - $215 - (changed to 8 Max also)

8pm ET - Monster $3,000 GTD - $5.50

Constructive criticism will be more than welcome.

Awesome! I play the $22 $7,500 guaranteed most weekdays so will most likely be playing that next few days. Will definitely give my feedback here and in the Degenaments discord.

hello sir. welcome.
would like to share some ideias that i wrote before for structures etc. hope u can help to improve the site a lot.

look at the payouts of your mtts.. why would i play a non ko mtt, 215 buy in, when the minimum itm is 229$ ?? does it makes any sense ?..


u going for major daily mtts, playing final table , being the chip leader with 25 big blinds ? seems like the hyperturbos at stars... make it more playable.. increase the stack for the majors, or add new blind levels for ex. fix the payouts, the payjumps. the late reg for the 215 today for ex. 50 ppl playing, late regin till 5 bigblinds.. does it even makes any sense ??? ... then the minimum cash is 229$.. if u want ppl to enter with 5big ok.. their money.. but at least make a new payouts structure.


even for the micros and low stakes.. ppl want to learn. to improve. to play poker and not bingo u know.. if u want more recs , make some hyperturbos for ex.. if u think they wont like deeper structures.. but if u want to keep your house growing, u need to provide nice and playable mtts..
s i said. the 250k gtd 109. very nice yeah. look at the final table. was that poker ? ... pushfolding 80% of the time ?


the 109 main on sunday, should get an even better structure. since it will be flagship of your room.

some of the daily 55$ , the higher gtd one for ex, should have the new structure too.
if some lower stakes players start asking, we could evaluate for the other levels too..
the sats for the 525 should be improved.

the nightly 11r , runs pretty decent. could u guys try for ex a 3.3r , 33 or 44r same hour ?

during the day, at afternoon for ex, u running the 5$ 109's earlier. so u could add some more rebuys too so ppl can have more volume.

what about some leaderboard? it could get expensive ok, but u could mae a leaderboard, 3 tiers, and u pay in tickets for your events for ex. that would be an extra income for the players.

once per month u could bring a special 109. for ex, 109 pko , 109 pko turbo edition, 109r with monster stack structure. stuff likfe that.

phase mtt. one for testing. running like daily for ex. 22$ 20k or something. with nice strucutre. and keep adjusting . ppl would add it daily and try to sat etc etc.

ppl keeps asking for more pko mtts. i personaly dont like but i know they are amazing for the pools. some months ago, u ran a promotion for some mtts with ko. 2 or 3 days. all the guarantees were like the triple in the end.. so it means something.

prob a dificult one, but pretty important for regs. stacks in bbs. we grind 5 6 rooms with stacks in bbs. that would be a very nice change too.

for the late night, some hyper monster stacks would fit well. up to 55, all the ppl playing the 109's 22's 55's would play them as well.

regarding the rebuys, the addon need to have more value i guess. it should give more bigblinds for the price u pay.

the 109 main ( sunday ) , pays too many ppl. i guess the recs point but at least the one should pay less people. and higher prizes. personal opinion too.



again, the highroller is good but should offer better satelites experience for that one.

the new sunday rebuys would be amazing also. some 44r before the 55r on sunday or the 109 second chance mixing with 66r second chance weekly . something like that.

the saturday 55r should have like 2h late reg only. makes no sense to start the addon if u lose on last hand and having like 10k chips plsu 20k addon. 30k total, for 2500 blind level. makes zero sense.

keep in touch with players pls. Ask our opinion. We want to help the site to grow and get better but we also want to be listen.

tks and gl

Glad to hear that you are looking forward to making changes. I agree with most everyone here. I would like to see some 6 max rebuy options. Betonline used to have the 3 and 5 dollar rebuy 6 max tournies. I play higher stakes than that but sometimes lumped those in the schedule just because they were pretty fun to play. I would love to see some 10 and 20 buck rebuy 6 max tournies.
You guys have great software and just lack variety, guarantees, and appropriate structures.

Much better structure in the $22 7.5k compared to the structures normally on BOL. Recs like the big stacks. It allows for a less aggressive blind structure (Even with faster lvls). I'm guessing it greatly diminishes the mass late reg issue with 9bb+ stack as opposed to 4bb at the end of late reg.

EDIT: Also, having all levels with antes >>>>>>>>>>>> levels with no antes.

I posted this in a discord community where Dan is a member:

Noticed most were min-raising from the get-go or like 2.2x, 2.3x, etc. The pots grew bigger, in relation to the blinds, than they would've in earlier levels of older structure, though, because the antes were in play in level 1 and were bigger than the 10% of the bb like they were in the older structure.

I found the early levels of the older structure kind of pointless bc the stacks were so big (i.e. 500 bb's to start in level 1) and then you're in push/fold territory with a 2x-3x starting stack at end of late registration. Unless you're running super hot, hard to 4x or more your starting stack in the older structures.

Will play the $22 again tomorrow and report back, but feel so far, that the changes are steps in the right direction.

Everything you guys say I am very aware of. I just have to do it step by step. Start with structures and then build a schedule around it. A better payout is a must and its a very hard task so that will take some time.

Keep the feedback coming please and with proof of concept I will be able to start making changes in most of them tournaments. I am a big believer in slightly different structures in high stakes and then mid/low. If anyone feels that is wrong let me know.

No feedback is negative !!

It would nice to throw a bone and finally have a tournament series where we can actually buy-in with VIP points. If that's not possible (due to greed or whatever), at least allow a trade-in of VIP points for TM dollars. Even if it is at a bad rate, letting players make any use of those accumulated VIP points would be something to counter poor opinion.

How can the tournaments not be paused when everyone is discounted?

More PLO and PLO8 and with higher buyins.

Probably in minority here but longer levels amd higher BB stacks at last level of registration to eliminate the late crash and stall clowns. Speaking of which, they all seat at same table and then time down or disconnect.

Schedule is currently lacking an evening tournament above $55. There used to be a $215 20k gtd same time as the $55 30k but that seems to be gone now. I feel like a $55 or $109 10k turbo in the evening would work great too.

Nightly $55 can stay but needs to kick off earlier, the 8:30pm start is just too late during the week. I see it's been pulled, suggest doing a $20K @ 7pm-7:30.

Love the $10R/A (just don't rake the rebuys and addons, it's not a re-entry it's a rebuy)

Would love to see a Sunday HU, $30-$50 range.

Love seeing the $109 - $300K on Sundays, flagship with a great BI and GTD will draw players over to take a closer look at schedules.

The $300k last week was bc it was the main event of their recent poker series. This Sunday and other Sundays it will be back to the normal $150k fyi.

I would like to see a a nightly $20 PLO tournament and I agree solving the last minute register and stall issue is important.

I also strongly prefer the tournaments where you start with 7500-10k chips instead of 5k

welcome I am excited to see our platform grow. How about a PLO PKO???? We could even start small make it a $22 2k and work our way up.

Also any insights on refunds for all of the network issues?

i really like the new structure in the MOnster 22$ 7.5k gtd.

I have been looking for feedback for these structures. Any more feedback for the few tests would be awesome.
I will tell you all that I am not dealing with refunds at the moment so this isnt the right thread to be asking.

They are great. Please keep them up. Would love to see more of these. A 6 max would be also nice with that structure.

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Re: BetOnline.ag Poker: Tournaments Thread
Dear BetOnline Tournament Director

Basically I created account on 2+2 to tell my opinion on tournaments on Chico as I play there nearly every day ( or at least I used to ). First of all after closing the poker client there is a popup window to leave feedback on the site.I did that many times but it was just a waste of time...

So back to the topic.Your site is slowly but surely becoming worse and worse for tournaments.Basically the whole schedule is now only MONSTER tournaments and sattelites.Problem with monster tournaments are that they are basically unplayable after / near registration ends.For one reason I get it that long registration is good for Betonline as you can get more players in and reentries etc etc but once registration is over a tournament which has 3 hours of latereg suddenly becomes shallow stack hyperturbo till the end.I dont know how can a tournament end its latereg with 5bb as starting stack.Tell me how is this structure ever going to be somewhat playable and soemwhat deep-ish.......NEVER.Same goes for Mega structures.I see that you are TESTING new structure now but it doesnt matter if you do 8 minute levels or 12 ...it is the number of levels latereg is allowed so 8 minute levels and 18 levels of latereg with 50K starting stack = 5bb starting stack at the end of latereg.So you basically made this structure even more hyperturbo once latereg is over.This structure is terrible for both recreationals and regulars as regulars will leave the site and play on other sites and same goes for recreationals who I see asking in the chat after 1 hour of playing "how long does this tournament take".It is just a matter of time before players realize this structure is unbeatable (unless you sunrun ) and they will leave your site completly.Best structure you have on your site is the DEEP 6´s structure.Nice 2 hour latereg with 10bb starting stack ending.No reason to have more than 2 hours of latereg at all.If someone wants to play it he will rather play it whn its 2 hour latereg instead of 3 or 3,5 .PLEASE think about it!As I mentioned before same goes for Mega.

Other thing is schedule is filled with sattelites.It is nice but also unreal structures for sattelites and you have just a bit too many of them.Instead try to add some tournaments with GTD money.Last thing i would like to add is the PKO tournaments.I Dont even want to talk about bad structure but you should really try and make more 6max PKOs insead of 9max.Thats just the way PKOs should be and as there is more variance in 6max you will get also more reentries and it will be easier to fill GTDs

Thats how I see Chico tournaments
I would love to hear some feedback from you

Peace

I can comment and say the test structure doesnt finish with 5 bb at the end of late reg and also its plays 24-33 bb after late reg. some 4 hour run times some 6 hour run times. I would guess that in January is when I can have a complete new schedule ready with new structures.

First, I am glad to see you on board.

The Deep mtt structure is the best structure on BOL. The rebuy structure is also good. The Mega and Monster structures are abysmal. Mtts need to have their last level of late reg at 10 big blinds or more for a reason. The current "mega" and "monster" have demonstrated what kind of mess at the end of late reg you get when one varies from it.

If BOL is looking to stretch out late reg for some mtts to draw in bigger fields, higher prizepools there are better structures out there that would do the same job.

Replacement for the Mega.
14 levels 10 minute with 10K starting stack. Using the current "deep" blinds structure this puts the 14th level at 500/1000.

For the Monster, the current "Test" structure w/ 50k starting stack, last level 2.5k/5k blinds, is a good replacement. (You could also use the current "deep" structure, have a starting stack of 20k and end late reg during the 17th level, blinds 1k/2k.

Out of all these structures I am the biggest fan of the "Deep" structure for your base mtts. Not everyone wants to play a long mtt, including the BOL casino degens, for 1st place money that is not that much higher. It is a great structure. The structures I gave for the megas and monsters are good substitutes for the select mtts BOL wants to draw in bigger fields, running 3 times a day for each type at each buy-in.

How come the 10rebuy isnt there today and wasnt there two days ago? I see you added a 3310k test structure which is great but removing the 10rebuy and adding that isnt improving the scedule. This tourney always hits over the guarantee except the one day when your site kept kicking people. Should be locked in daily I think you take it off on Sundays as well.

I like the new test structures its a improvement for sure. Outside of that I'd like to see more rebuys and more 6max mtts.