ive been offering to help them for years and its sad they wont listen. what they usually do is once the regs all agree on something, they do the opposite.

Problem is either the staff is on pure denial/doesn't care (because I have also named important points in the past with no reply) or they just don't check this thread. Or both.
8 tables cap pure nonsense
No SNG Promos while just now I got an email $10K will be thrown out in freerolls
No proper Rakeback, no VIP System, even the small % of Rakeback one can get through missions, DoNs and HUs don't count (why???), while DoNs are all that runs during usual EU times.
Whoever plays here as long as they keep ignoring the players is just as responsible for this mess.

Hi ICrush,

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There can be 2 opposing points of view within the ecosystem.

BetOnline tries to make the gaming environment enjoyable for all of our players.
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Kind regards

Mike

So what is the reason for having a table-cap of 8 then? This is surely the point that concerns Regs, eg. the players that give your SNG Pool traffic, the most. The recreational players don't care if you allow regs to play 2 tables, 8 tables or unlimited tables. All it would create is a win-win-win situation. You as site gain more rake and traffic. The recreationals don't have to wait as long for games to start, while the difference in average skill level per SNG would probably not increase. And Regs can grind without the annoyance of having this annoying "Sorry, you have registered the max. amount of tables". It just makes no sense for any side.

this is the biggest point ive been trying to get accross for the entire year now.
im going to play 12-16 tables regardless, it just means I have to give more action to other sites when i would much rather give it all to BO.
Currently Im registering only hypers because of the table cap I cant play more than 1 game type.
This year alone ive raked more than 70k for non Betonline sites. that could all be yours if you take off the cap... I would reg all hypers, reg speed, and turbos.

having more games going off regularly is better for everyone. what counter argument am i missing here?

joined a $10 windfall last night and then the table wouldn't load. tried on mac, windows, iphone, and browser. all said server issue. i still have yet to be refunded tho.

please pm me if you need more details

I understand and I'm not saying I agree or disagree.
To play devils advocate, if the average recreational player plays in more games it gives him less of a chance of winning, as he is playing against more professionals.

Maybe it could dishearten that player to see the same faces every game or send him broke thus losing a player from the pool.

I used to play 350k+ hands (badly) in nl cash every month with 40 + tables running. So I understand where you guys are coming from.

I have and will continue to pass on the feedback that you guys give Betonline regarding this matter.

Is there some sort of other idea? maybe a new one to improve the whole sit n go player pool happiness? I know cash players hate anonymous tables, does it matter so much in Sng's?

Kind regards

Mike

so lets just not let any games run at all so the recs can keep the same balance in their accounts???
also, the more tables im at, the smaller my edge gets. so allowing me to play more tables would also let the recs have a better ROI

whats disheartening is wanting to grind poker, logging on and seeing the lobbies all 1/6 because people cant register until the games they are in ends. Your player pool is fairly small and in most games its the same 4-5 guys with occasional new players.

in SnGs edges are very small, its not like im KO'ing every rec player every single game, I do lose quite often and they do let me know in chat box that "i suck" and they seem to enjoy it.

Most people regs/recs hate anonymous tables, and thats one reason I prefer your site over Bovada. Yes it does matter a lot in Sngs

Hello,

I have been just reading for a long time now. My username in BOL is Mozak. I guess everybody in here recognise me as I am the most regular SnG player in the site, playing roughly 12 hours a day across all stakes and raking in the most.

Anyways, that introduction was just because I think ( and I hope ) my opinion really matters to you guys. So from what I have witnessed last 7-8 months, the action at SnGs is really dictated by the promotions going on. Well, there are some other factors, like what we all saw during the lockdown, but that was a one-time phenomenon. The traffic at SnGs highly escalated during when you guys introduced the SnG Leaderboard. Especially first 2 weeks when the prize pool was fixed with $1K for the first place. Yeah, I won both of them and I know you guys don't like the regulars to win it every time and its better for the poker eco system to let the recreational players get the most of it. Next 2 weeks you split the Leaderboard in 2 categories: regular and KO Leaderboards - that was still fine tho - a little bit of everything for every one. Traffic dropped a little, bit it was still fine. Then you changed it again - this time the prize every one got was proportional to the rake they made. Traffic dropped by 50%, cause every player got waaay less than what they used to get the previous month. AGAIN, still OK tho, there were games running and hey, there was still some kind of promotion. Then October came and SnG Leaderboard were gone. Some of us were invited to join a race, some of us were not. For those who participated in the races it was still fine, proportional prize and if you play a lot, you get a decent prize at the end of the week. Traffic dropped again, but there were still games running and I could keep like 3-4 tables running at all times.

Now, when November came you guys stopped all promotion for SnG players. Some ridiculous single day challenges where you award the cash players with a tournament entry? And no, you were not kidding. I mean, the tournament you award entries is great, I play it every day, but what would the cash players need this tournament ticket for? Thats just an example how bad of a promotion this was, even tho it didnt affect SnG players. There was nothing for SnG players!

So all the time I was just reading and waiting for you guys to announce what kind of promotions will run in December. Today I just saw it and I decided to step in to this conversation. Again, no SnG Leaderboard. Instead, some missions which award you a lottery ticket. Alright, sounds like fun. But the traffic in SnGs will not raise.

I am suggesting you guys try to bring back the SnG Leaderboard. Or introduce another promotion which awards SnG players something that could keep us playing at BetOnline. I really love the site, but the reason I changed from Stars to BOL is the promotions you had. If you guys have the tracking system that tells you what other programs are running on the pc when playing BOL, you could see that I started running another 3-4 sites seeking action, because your SnG traffic dropped 200% in the last 3 months.

Now let me tell you another reason I love BOL - guys, your support is the best in the business. Your cash outs are fast. Software is good. Make me add the promotions again to this list.

Will be giving a look at this thread every now and then to see if there is any good news!

Mozak

I propose this for a leaderboard:

Sunday,Monday,Tuesday 1 dollar in rake paid=1 point
Wednesday,Thursday=1.5 points
Friday=2 points
Saturday=3 points

This will keep players from running it up early and taking half the week off but will still require a full week of play

Also maybe have a REVERSE point bonus system where you lose points the higher up the sitngo you finish to reward bad players.

Hi, just looked again into the software after a while and saw some players playing+regging more than 8 Games as before.
Well done on this decision, but what is the new table cap?

Thanks

Who are those players? I still have a cap of 8..

ShullerMax (Don Player) definitely had 11 tables when I looked, Bluefish84 also 12 tables Hypers+Normals, unless there was a huge delay in the lobby/player-search option

Edit: now after looking at Sharkscope seems there still is 8 tables cap, based on finishing-times... Thanks for your message, almost re-deposited yesterday because I thought the table cap is gone.

just wanna say ive been loving the daily leaderboards and it does seem to help traffic some. thanks for listening to players

can you add some 9 max PKO sit n goes? why is there nothing over $15 for 9 max sngs? I like the classic 9 or 10 man turbo sit n go, PKO would be fun too

Yeah I would also love to see $30 and $60 9-max SnGs.

I would be in favor of replacing the 12 and 24 pkos with 9 man

do you know how many times in chat people will say "help register xxx tournament" and i have to reply i cant im at table cap. when i would love to be able to help start more games. if you have to give us a cap maybe at least 12-16 seems much more reasonable

+1

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Kind regards

Mike

Still waiting for table cap to get beyond 8 tables in SNGs to move my volume to the site any news about this?

$15 DoN, if you play these games, where there is substantially more % of Regs than at lower stakes DoNs, be aware

cococos has posted in this forum before. He's made several posts about team play in SNGs. I can shoot him a message on Skype and ask him to post what he was doing there.

I'd be more than interested! Thanks

welcome to DONs the thing is, it doesnt have to be collusion, maybe he just wanted to f*ck with you because you made a bad call or sucked him out couple hours earlier, so, while in regular sng with normal prize pool there is often an incentive to keep the bubble alive as chipleader to make more $, here he is ~95% sure to cash - always the same amount, so he can **** around.
These things happen, especially if you play vs same regs over and over, some grudges will appear where people make -ev plays just to **** around with each other