I don't think the increase is quite that much, but it's certainly not insignificant. Hard to say for certain without having a comparative sample of similar rake structures to look at and the dubious GG Network is the only other network that charges preflop rake.

Per 100 hands how often are you 3Bing, 4Bing and 5Bing and getting folds?

Each of those previously unraked hands is now raked.

Seems like HU and short-handed players will be affected the most.

HU 3Betting 20%+ of the time and then the BTN folding 50%+ of the time is not uncommon.

It's always a good idea to punish your table starters even more rather than rewarding them for getting games going.

More bumhunting = #Good4Poker?

got some calculations for nl100 sh+fr
at the period from 22.01 till 27.01 I played 8701 hands and paid 734$ rake (this information from official suppot).
734/87 = 8,43bb/100
My hole distance at nl100 (sh+fr) is 95736 hands and 6487$ rake
6487/957 = 6,77bb/100

Its probably a rake increase of about 1.7bb/100 hands
Which is 17000$ more rake at NL1k during 100k hands

I just cashed out my entire Chico balance. A very big FU to Chico for raking pre-flop. Burn in hell.

This site is shady as **** and Mike, you are a liar. You told us for months that we would be paid our vip points or that at the very least we would be able to use them in the near future. Instead it just went away and BOL steals hundreds of thousands from its own customers. Doesn't surprise me they have a new scheme to **** their customers even more. They just cant help themselves. Disgusting that 2+2 takes their advertisement money.

I guess it's time to cash out. Bye.

Just FYI

lmao...mistake

is this still being done?! flip the switch back off, how hard can it be??

Agreed. If it was a mistake, as is the claim, than usually you fix it ASAP. If it was planned you just wait until the uproar goes away. Similar to when they abruptly took away the VIP point system with no prior warning or compensation.

No update since 1/17 tournaments crashed for several people. The two reps in here are a disgrace, they know about the issue you send them pm's they don't respond. I hope no one has the same issues several of us encountered because if you do they will **** you. Word from the wise stay the **** away from this crooked shady site. Why is bol even allowed here they do nothing but attempt to lure unsuspecting victims. And when **** hits the fan they crawl back under a rock.

Hi moss84, I believe this will all be sorted early next week, as we needed to schedule everything with the software developers and coordinate refunds to affected players.


ALL PLAYERS AFFECTED WILL GET REFUNDED REGARDING 3 BET POT RAKE.


Kind regards

Mike

Thats a big relief

STILL NOTHING FOR AFFECTED PLAYERS FROM 1/17 DURING TOURNAMENTS !!!!

Thank you Mike.

I'm still trying to find a new site to play due to your inability to run a straight game.

The fix for pre-flop rake is supposed to go live Monday according to my sources.

All of the player refunds and affiliate pay reductions will be reviewed manually. I suspect that means it may not be immediately done when the software is patched. I do not expect it would take that long however, as it was my understanding that not all pre-flop pots were affected, thus, I do not think the samples are as large as we might otherwise think.

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Kahn

I would like to withdraw my money from betonline to my skrill account. I don't have option to cash out to skrill. Does anyone know why is not possible withdrawal money to skrill? In the past i have no problem to cash out to skrill, now i don't have this option.

When will be the refund exactly and what does it mean manually? We have to ask for it?

I don't believe anyone knows exactly when the refunds will be paid as it is an ongoing process of collecting the data and refunding the players. Soon would be my guess, as I was lead to believe refunds are prioritized.

Everyone will be refunded, no work on the part of the player needed from what I was told.

Ditto for affiliates, the money will likely be line item removed as a manual transaction in the commission reports, no intervention necessary.

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Kahn

Can you make them aware of the vip point they all stole we never know maybe this was a mistake too.

Lmao!!! Great post

To VARICO11 and players waiting on tournament refunds from the date in question -- I know a player who was able to get their refunds from reaching out to BetOnline's Twitter account, and a BOL rep named Adam Burns. Just figured I'd let you all know in the event you haven't tried this route yet.

they cancelled the hand collector freeroll last night, very disappointed

Really? It was only the second day of the month and it got cancelled? I personally find the all-in shootouts a little gimmicky but I've won some money in the Christmas ones. I mainly play MTT's, though, and doesn't look like the daily objectives are met in MTT's. Wish they could do some promo where you get money back for points/rake you accumulate. Oh yeah like VIP system they used to have. Hm, sadly they got rid of that with no warning or compensation to players who had existing VIP points.