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09-11-2020 , 05:21 PM
Does this site offer limit poker? I cannot find it, only no limit.
09-11-2020 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by CaddyShark
How do I send a PM to Betonline Mike......?
You need to make more posts throughout the forums for private messaging to be enabled on your account. Try to find a handful of threads that interest you and make a comment or question in them, preferably good ones. Eventually it will be enabled for you.


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Originally Posted by Cahill115
Does this site offer limit poker? I cannot find it, only no limit.
They certainly used to. I can't find any when I filter the lobby. It looks like they have been removed.

I do see Limit Omaha hi-lo tables available, but no traffic at the moment.

I know they do get some PLO and PLO8 traffic.
09-11-2020 , 06:19 PM
I have been waiting 2 days for an investigation, I cant speak to anyone on the phone about poker because they don't use their phone lines for that which is really shady. I had player 1 bet into someone with the nut flush on the river, and player 2 only called after tanking for a while, the player plays almost every tournament. After the hand they almost had the same chip count. I sent in the screenshot and hand history, player was obviously colluding or multi accounting, he ended up winning the tournament
09-11-2020 , 08:03 PM
While I am not a paid employee of their security team, I would be pretty surprised if you could definitely conclude collusion took place if all you provided them is what you've described above. I'm sure they'll look into it, but even if there was some impropriety it's very unlikely that most of their investigations are completed within 2 days of you reporting something and you almost certainly won't hear back from them about the results of their investigation. If their security team can find evidence that there was some cheating taking place then the accounts will be banned. If you're lucky you might even get some compensation, but I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you.
09-11-2020 , 10:13 PM
The site is full of multi account users and collusion, there are so many account names that have one letter changed or the same name with numbers on the end. Can't make a complaint over the phone, live chat claims a manager is never there, the site is like the wild wild west. Don't play on this garbage site.
09-11-2020 , 10:47 PM
I'm skeptical of your claims that "the site is full of multi account users and collusion," but I'm willing to have my mind changed if you or anyone else can provide substantial evidence of such things. Please post all of your collusion evidence here. If I agree that your evidence warrants further investigation then I have no problem also attempting to try to get the security team to take a more thorough look. If you've already reported it then I'm sure it will get looked into. Whether the evidence you sent them warrants taking action against the accounts I just can't know for sure without seeing the evidence myself.
09-12-2020 , 12:38 AM
There are multiple player names with only numbers changed after their names. Example Pokersteve, Pokersteve33333, Rigatoni77, Rigatoni88, Poquerguy, Poquerdude. Players sit in and leave the cash tables at the same time. Then deep in a tournament player 1 bets big into the nut flush, and player 2 just calls, there was no miss click or disconnection, he tanked then just called. He ended up winning the tournament and the person that bet into the nuts got 6th place. I've been watching the site very close for a couple of months, something is definitely not right about that network. There are some players on that site with outrageous stats and activity, there's somebody that has been active 649 days out of 790, another player thats up 150k thats never been on a down swing that wins almost every tournament that has played 118 games in a day. Another player that has been active 149 days out of 180 and is up 52k. Another player that has been active 331 days out of 365 and is up over 20k, another player thats been active 356 days out of 395 days thats up 14k. Another player thats been active 101 days out of 120 days thats up 19k. Should I keep going on?
09-12-2020 , 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by CaddyShark
There are multiple player names with only numbers changed after their names. Example Pokersteve, Pokersteve33333, Rigatoni77, Rigatoni88, Poquerguy, Poquerdude. Players sit in and leave the cash tables at the same time. Then deep in a tournament player 1 bets big into the nut flush, and player 2 just calls, there was no miss click or disconnection, he tanked then just called. He ended up winning the tournament and the person that bet into the nuts got 6th place. I've been watching the site very close for a couple of months, something is definitely not right about that network. There are some players on that site with outrageous stats and activity, there's somebody that has been active 649 days out of 790, another player thats up 150k thats never been on a down swing that wins almost every tournament that has played 118 games in a day. Another player that has been active 149 days out of 180 and is up 52k. Another player that has been active 331 days out of 365 and is up over 20k, another player thats been active 356 days out of 395 days thats up 14k. Another player thats been active 101 days out of 120 days thats up 19k. Should I keep going on?
I'd prefer that you didn't and instead just posted the evidence so that I could look at it myself, such as links to their SharkScope and/or hand histories from a database.

How often do you think professionals work? Why would poker professionals work substantially less days when they have access to games almost all of the time?

There's some pretty savvy tournament poker guys who regularly play in these games and post here. If there was anything suspicious that stood out to them about these players over these large samples then I'm sure they would comment.

"Players sit in and leave the cash tables at the same time."
^
That sounds more like seating scripts, or just bumhunters in general, rather than anything more nefarious.

The names being so similar sounds interesting, especially if they're sitting at the same tables. I recall someone mentioning something similar with some of the PLO bots. Can you provide actual names of several of these accounts so that I could see for myself?

Last edited by MCAChiTown; 09-12-2020 at 02:20 AM.
09-12-2020 , 11:41 AM
I can't even post an attachment or send a private message
09-12-2020 , 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by CaddyShark
I have been waiting 2 days for an investigation, I cant speak to anyone on the phone about poker because they don't use their phone lines for that which is really shady. I had player 1 bet into someone with the nut flush on the river, and player 2 only called after tanking for a while, the player plays almost every tournament. After the hand they almost had the same chip count. I sent in the screenshot and hand history, player was obviously colluding or multi accounting, he ended up winning the tournament


I was at the table and there is no way this was collision. Yes the player in question did just call with the nuts in position on river. If this was collision why would he not raise? The better had a pure bluff and a easy fold so they get the same outcome with no suspicion.

The to players in question stats

The player that call with nuts has ABI of $400(not really sure how this is possible on BOL) over 252 games and is down $10,526 and became active 05/20

The player who bet has ABI of $37 over 438 games and is up $4271 and became active 02/20

This was just bad poker
09-12-2020 , 12:21 PM
Is 118 games in a day even possible? Required bankroll $747, Profit 160k. In his last 25 tournaments, he has placed first 9 times, second 5 times, third 3 times, forth 4 times, and the others were in the top 10. All of this happening in a 2 month period. not possible.
09-12-2020 , 12:23 PM
Why would he just call with the nuts, obviously they were trying to even their chip count so they can both place high in the tournament. Makes no sense nobody just calls with the nuts in that spot, how can you even defend that?
09-12-2020 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by CaddyShark
Is 118 games in a day even possible? Required bankroll $747, Profit 160k. In his last 25 tournaments, he has placed first 9 times, second 5 times, third 3 times, forth 4 times, and the others were in the top 10. All of this happening in a 2 month period. not possible.


Username for these stats cause it has nothing to do with the players in this hand

Looks like your making stuff up
09-12-2020 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by CaddyShark
Why would he just call with the nuts, obviously they were trying to even their chip count so they can both place high in the tournament. Makes no sense nobody just calls with the nuts in that spot, how can you even defend that?


Why not raise? Same outcome. Was just bad poker, misclick or many other things. There is no connection between these players. There is difference of 10x there ABI. One is $400 and one is $37
09-12-2020 , 12:45 PM
These stats are on a different player, we were discussing suspicious accounts as well. It wasn't a misclick he tanked, and he knows the hand ranks I'm sure, he plays a bunch of tournaments.
09-12-2020 , 12:47 PM
Maybe one day I can post a screen shot lol.
09-12-2020 , 12:50 PM
If I told you there was a player that had these stats, 118 games in a day even possible? Required bankroll $747, Profit 160k. In his last 25 tournaments, he has placed first 9 times, second 5 times, third 3 times, forth 4 times, and the others were in the top 10. All of this happening in a 2 month period.

Would you say he had some kind of advantage?
09-12-2020 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by CaddyShark
If I told you there was a player that had these stats, 118 games in a day even possible? Required bankroll $747, Profit 160k. In his last 25 tournaments, he has placed first 9 times, second 5 times, third 3 times, forth 4 times, and the others were in the top 10. All of this happening in a 2 month period.

Would you say he had some kind of advantage?


I would say those are make up numbers. If he played 118 games with ABI less then $7 and avg cash over $1300. Not possible. Fields are not that large on BOL. Your clueless
09-12-2020 , 01:05 PM
There is a player that has played 118 games in a day. He plays just about every tournament on the site, and his results are crazy. He has gotten first place in multiple tournaments in the same day! His last 25 published tournaments show he got first 9 times, Second 5 times, third 3 times, and 4th 4 times and the rest were in the top 10.
09-12-2020 , 01:07 PM
Required bankroll $747, average games per day 23.6, 380 winning days 309 losing days, up 160k
09-12-2020 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by CaddyShark
Required bankroll $747, average games per day 23.6, 380 winning days 309 losing days, up 160k

Just post total games played. ABI. ROI. Total profit.

Looks like about a$31 ABI and and 30-40% ROI with insane volume. Very reasonable.
09-12-2020 , 01:38 PM
Count 16,339, Stake 24.92, ROI 40.6

118 games played in one day lol?

I dont know maybe thats normal, but sounds wild to me

If I'm making a big deal out of nothing I apologize
09-12-2020 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by CaddyShark
Count 16,339, Stake 24.92, ROI 40.6

118 games played in one day lol?

I dont know maybe thats normal, but sounds wild to me

If I'm making a big deal out of nothing I apologize


The other number look reasonable for good player in soft fields. The 118 games in a day is insane but not impossible. Could be SNG for a challenge or leaderboard etc. you would have to look at games he played that day to see what he was playing.
09-12-2020 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by CaddyShark
Count 16,339, Stake 24.92, ROI 40.6

118 games played in one day lol?

I dont know maybe thats normal, but sounds wild to me

If I'm making a big deal out of nothing I apologize
That's normal for a high volume winning player, sure. I know nothing about BO's hyper SNG meta but if they have an active userbase it's super easy to get 118 games played in a day.

Seems like you're upset because someone might have misclicked and someone else is a winning reg? Or is there something I'm missing here?
09-12-2020 , 04:16 PM
Series has been good so far, looking forward to tomorrow. Would really like to see you guys not rake the rebuys and addons for the rebuy MTTs

      
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