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05-10-2020 , 12:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JGoldPDX
BetOnline Mike: There is a lot I like about BetOnline, but how can your site justify taking a 15% admin fee everytime the BBJ is hit (that would be about $60,000 if the jackpot currently hit and that is just one time hitting) and then take another 35% of the jackpot to 'reseed' which means that rollover money just gets taxed 15% over and over as the jackpot gets hit. The whole system seems like a greedy way to scoop up hundreds of thousands a year extra from the poker player pool on top of considerable rake. And then the site claims this is some kind of 'promo' when it's in fact horrible for the players?

Another strike against the BBJ - It also benefits bot and mega grinder / shared accounts who can be on the tables the maximum amount of hours.
My favorite part is that they arbitrarily change the BBJ requirements. From 2222 beat to QQQQ beat out of the blue. Same with the admin % increases. It's definitely a shady AF promotion. They also made VIP points effectively useless. I play MTTs on the site(Occasionally play a BBJ game), but am considering pulling out my money entirely. There's a small % they go the way of Lock Poker IMO.
05-10-2020 , 02:14 PM
Can we not even call it a promotion? It is simply a massive shakedown of the player pool, built on the backs of rec players who see the big jackpot $ number and their degenerate sensor goes off, drawing them into games they can't beat. The only reason regs put up with it is that it draws recs which means a decent number of cash tables with recs. Kudos to BOL for drawing rec players, that is their saving grace but their rake and BBJ structure, along with having no VIP or RB system makes this site purely exploitative of the entire poker economy (not to mention the lack of policing of bots).

The greed is shocking, but I guess if they can continue to get away with it, they will scoop the money and keep pushing the limits.
05-10-2020 , 05:38 PM
Hello Mike. I DM'd you my information.
05-10-2020 , 08:48 PM
Hi all,

Coming up is our anniversary on 2+2 and I wanted to do something to celebrate.

We are going to be giving away some form of prizes or cash, and I wanted some ideas from you guys. Maybe a private tournament? online contest? seat giveaways?

What do you want to see?

Any silly comments/trolls not regarding this topic will be deleted (pre warning)

Thanks

Mike
05-10-2020 , 09:29 PM
Personally I would love to see some sort of bonus (even if we had to unlock it that we could get with our VIP points, or a big gtd tournament that we could sign up using the points...I'm sure you get the idea. Something that doesnt make me feel insulted when I look at my lobby and I see 5 stars and a gazillon points worth absolutely nothing
05-11-2020 , 03:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MCAChiTown
Millions of dollars have been sucked out of the entire online poker economy over the last half decade due to bots.

I think the big thing that people who have similar thoughts to yourself fail to realize is that it's not that the games are currently unbeatable for the dedicated, like yourself, but the total amount of money that is being pulled out of the games by these cheaters in total.

The bot below has since been banned, but that's not an insignificant amount of money stolen from the games by a single bot account.



Current poker bot proficiency is all over the map. Not unlike real players, some can crush their stakes, some are slight winners, some are break-even, some are slight-losers and some are so poorly configured that they'll almost always lose at the tables in the long-term without an upgrade in strategy. What almost each one of them can do is put in much more volume than any human without ever tilting or losing focus. Their base strategy is almost always good enough to consistently take money off of recreational players. Their increasing presence almost always has a negative effect on most other real players' winrates.

Just because you, I and other dedicated poker players can still win at the tables currently, does not mean that it's ever a good idea to minimize the threat that bots pose to the long-term health of the games. I'd much rather the people who think similar to yourself said nothing about the issue if you're not concerned about the threat that bots and AI pose. Poker is a game that many of us still love to play and would like to be able to continue to enjoy for the foreseeable future without allowing cheaters to prosper.
totally agree with every word in your post friend. I guess my point was that i find the bots hard to identify due to how much they play like regular nit regs. obviously not only does it drive up rake, drive away bad players and ruin anyones winrate who worked hard over the years to gain the skills it takes to play poker well but it also ruins the trust relationship recreational players have with their outlet
05-11-2020 , 03:47 PM
I recently withdrew my balance despite both streaming myself playing on their site on twitch and 6 tabling 100nl all day long because I got hospitalized with Covid and asked multiple times for an extension on my deposit bonus due to the circumstances and was told no flat out. I was enjoying the games and the interface but I will not give action to a site that treats their customers poorly and has no human touch along - with not giving any sort of reward to its regular players.

YMMV but I had a series of awful customer service interactions with with Betonline from deposit to withdrawal that lead to this decision and I would advise anyone to be cautious about giving them your business based on my experience.
05-11-2020 , 03:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JGoldPDX
Can we not even call it a promotion? It is simply a massive shakedown of the player pool, built on the backs of rec players who see the big jackpot $ number and their degenerate sensor goes off, drawing them into games they can't beat. The only reason regs put up with it is that it draws recs which means a decent number of cash tables with recs. Kudos to BOL for drawing rec players, that is their saving grace but their rake and BBJ structure, along with having no VIP or RB system makes this site purely exploitative of the entire poker economy (not to mention the lack of policing of bots).

The greed is shocking, but I guess if they can continue to get away with it, they will scoop the money and keep pushing the limits.
well said
05-11-2020 , 05:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jamenou
I guess my point was that i find the bots hard to identify due to how much they play like regular nit regs.
The most common NLHE cash game bots are not easily confused for nit regs. Nitty regs are the type of players most often incorrectly accused of botting.

I'm sorry to hear that you caught the virus and that you had a poor experience with BetOnline. Hopefully you are recovering well now. Best of luck to you with whatever site you end up on!
05-11-2020 , 06:23 PM
Site just crashed for me in the money of an mtt, can’t get the software to load and can’t get the website to load either
05-11-2020 , 06:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tiger24
Site just crashed for me in the money of an mtt, can’t get the software to load and can’t get the website to load either
Me, too... was chip leader in SNG with 4 left... how does BOA handle these screwups?
05-11-2020 , 06:27 PM
Both sportsbetting.ag and betonline.ag are still inaccessible, as are their poker clients.
05-11-2020 , 06:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by IchTheocracy
Me, too... was chip leader in SNG with 4 left... how does BOA handle these screwups?
Looks like I was given 2nd place... UNCOOL.
05-11-2020 , 06:37 PM
Other people were able to play and I got back on with 1 big blind, mike you gonna fix this?
05-11-2020 , 06:58 PM
Odd that it happened to not many people.
05-14-2020 , 11:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BetOnline Mike
Hi all,

Coming up is our anniversary on 2+2 and I wanted to do something to celebrate.

We are going to be giving away some form of prizes or cash, and I wanted some ideas from you guys. Maybe a private tournament? online contest? seat giveaways?

What do you want to see?

Any silly comments/trolls not regarding this topic will be deleted (pre warning)

Thanks

Mike
I appreciate the intention of giving away money, but I'm wondering if you have a bunch of money to be giving away, do you think it might be time to ease up on the withdraw restrictions? 3k/wk is pretty restrictive, especially when you're running a full slate of higher stakes MTTs every week.
05-14-2020 , 12:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BetOnline Mike
Hi all,

Coming up is our anniversary on 2+2 and I wanted to do something to celebrate.

We are going to be giving away some form of prizes or cash, and I wanted some ideas from you guys. Maybe a private tournament? online contest? seat giveaways?

What do you want to see?

Any silly comments/trolls not regarding this topic will be deleted (pre warning)

Thanks

Mike

LOL this is great. I'm glad I check in every now and then to see how the bots and lack of promotions are going.

HOW ABOUT YOU REFUND ALL OF THE BOT MONEY FROM THE PAST 5 YEARS? NO? OKAY. Then there's nothing that a 1k freeroll patting yourself on the back will fix GTFO

I also LOVE how you had to include that trolls/silly comments would be deleted. Just shows that you KNOW that NO ONE would take you seriously posting this. What comedy!
05-14-2020 , 01:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BetOnline Mike
Hi all,

Coming up is our anniversary on 2+2 and I wanted to do something to celebrate.

We are going to be giving away some form of prizes or cash, and I wanted some ideas from you guys. Maybe a private tournament? online contest? seat giveaways?

What do you want to see?

Any silly comments/trolls not regarding this topic will be deleted (pre warning)

Thanks

Mike
Remove the $3k/week withdrawal cap! That would be enough!
05-14-2020 , 03:04 PM
It'd be a great time to unveil your new VIP program that you've been holding meetings for for the past 8 months.
05-14-2020 , 05:47 PM
Its our birthday and we have a tournament scheduled for Sunday 17th May.

There will be a chance for everybody to make money by knocking each other out.
We are adding $2,222 to the tournament for you guys to battle it out for.
Tomorrow I will have full details but please feel free to pass the password around the forum and let everybody know.

This is the password to enter the tournament.

2plus2bday



Good Luck
05-15-2020 , 06:36 PM
maybe we can use our VIP points to buyin



Quote:
Originally Posted by BetOnline Mike
Its our birthday and we have a tournament scheduled for Sunday 17th May.

There will be a chance for everybody to make money by knocking each other out.
We are adding $2,222 to the tournament for you guys to battle it out for.
Tomorrow I will have full details but please feel free to pass the password around the forum and let everybody know.

This is the password to enter the tournament.

2plus2bday





Good Luck
05-16-2020 , 12:29 AM
Hello betonline mike just checking to see if there were any updates regarding my issue with betonline poker?
05-16-2020 , 07:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by joker115
Hello betonline mike just checking to see if there were any updates regarding my issue with betonline poker?
Hi joker, I had sent you a private message, I was waiting to hear back from you, but as of yet I have not heard anything.

Kind regards

Mike
05-18-2020 , 08:32 PM
The uselessness of VIP points is scandalous.
05-19-2020 , 12:40 AM
The far bigger offense is that people were earning VIP points under the old system with the understanding that they would be able to buy into the biggest MTTs on the site with them, then suddenly without warning, they made the points practically useless. There were several players with thousands, possibly tens of thousands in equity (I had about $4k myself) that was stolen away.

Then, instead of giving an explanation, Mike strung us along for months and months pretending they were in intense meetings to come up with a new and improved VIP system. Then, after 8 months, they finally released a "statement" that basically said "**** you". That the points are still sitting there in the cashier for everyone to see is another "**** you" to the players. It also reflects badly on the site when new players think there are VIP points and levels only to find they are useless.

I'm a bit surprised there wasn't more outrage over the outright theft committed by BetOnline, and for some reason they are still given their own forum.

May will be the first month in 4+ years that I don't play a hand of poker on this site.

      
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