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yes
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no
10 17.24%
maybe so
23 39.66%

09-02-2019 , 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by FutureInsights
Sigh. Does DH even work in Boost? How do you capture hand histories if playing boost? How do you capture any hand histories to pt4?

Also, many complaints about clearing the poker bonus. If memory serves, all funds are locked up until bonus cleared, or need to try and forfeit everything. If that is the same, I would only deposit without bonus. SGR doing well on WPN (keeps telling me about it), but have still not deposited on their site.

I'm not satisfied enough yet until they put up some rewards for the points at BOL, and the software is stable for WPN, to deposit anywhere else but ignition at this time.
DriveHUD doesn't currently offer a live HUD for fast fold, but they probably will add a live HUD for Boost soon. Currently it only tracks your hands at fast fold tables so that you can review them later.

Hands for PT4 are captured with the card catcher.

I haven't seen that many complaints about the initial poker bonus. Most of the complaints I see about bonuses come from people using a bonus that doesn't apply to poker because they didn't read the Terms & Conditions and are stuck wagering on sports bets to clear the requirements when they had no intentions of betting on sports. Sometimes you're able to forfeit these bonuses if you have no interest in completing them.

They do have have a 1x rollover requirement on all deposits regardless of if you take a deposit bonus before you can withdraw without incurring additional fees.

I think everybody here is eagerly awaiting what the announcement about the new uses for the VIP points. I think the communication regarding that change was poor. Hopefully we'll hear something soon.
09-02-2019 , 03:20 PM
Hello, Mike.
I tried to cashout to my Skrill on August 29, after a support employee Benjamin Osman told me that my documents were verified. A few days later I wrote again in live chat why my money still hasn’t come. They answered that the cashout was canceled due to security issues due to the fact that I used VPN. But from my country (Russia) it is impossible to go to your site and request a cashout without using VPN because it is blocked by our government. Today I said this in a live chat to a employee Alice and she promised that this would not be a problem next time. But Alice also said that my account was being checked again and said that it could not give exact dates. Could you help accelerate this process, or at least give an exact date? I played in many poker rooms, but I get into this situation for the first time. This is unpleasant, because in general your pokerroom left a great impression.
My nickname is shootme555.
09-03-2019 , 01:49 AM
Someone streamed some Boost poker today:

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/476095308

(No, it wasn't me)
09-04-2019 , 01:51 PM
Hey Guys,

New Sit & Go Steps tournaments are the fast track to major rewards for little risk!

How Do They Work?

Pull up a seat at Step 1 for just $1.50 and work your way up the ladder to win prizes as big as $1,000! With buy-ins that low, you’re sure to find a level that fits your bankroll.

All Sit & Go Steps are 6-Max, so they’ll fill up quickly and the action kicks in fast. Depending on how the cards fall and how you finish, you may move up a “Step” to play the next level. Win a final Step 8 Sit & Go, and the $1,000 cash prize is all yours!


https://promotions.betonline.ag/steps-tournaments

Please Let me know what you think about the new promotion, maybe some hints on how to improve, or just any comments about you guys enjoying it.

Kind Regards

Mike
09-04-2019 , 01:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kovitol
Hello, Mike.
I tried to cashout to my Skrill on August 29, after a support employee Benjamin Osman told me that my documents were verified. A few days later I wrote again in live chat why my money still hasn’t come. They answered that the cashout was canceled due to security issues due to the fact that I used VPN. But from my country (Russia) it is impossible to go to your site and request a cashout without using VPN because it is blocked by our government. Today I said this in a live chat to a employee Alice and she promised that this would not be a problem next time. But Alice also said that my account was being checked again and said that it could not give exact dates. Could you help accelerate this process, or at least give an exact date? I played in many poker rooms, but I get into this situation for the first time. This is unpleasant, because in general your pokerroom left a great impression.
My nickname is shootme555.

Hi Kovitol,

Can you please send me a private message with your account number and email address and I will look into this for you.

Kind Regards
Mike
09-04-2019 , 04:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MCAChiTown
DriveHUD doesn't currently offer a live HUD for fast fold, but they probably will add a live HUD for Boost soon. Currently it only tracks your hands at fast fold tables so that you can review them later.
We're working on boost, so we'll have something here shortly. It's in active development. Drivehud will capture FF hands, but a live active HUD isn't supported because it's a whole new process that needs to be implemented.
09-04-2019 , 07:13 PM
I was just deep in a mtt and it was cancelled?

Did this happen to anyone else / why did this happen
09-04-2019 , 07:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gambit504
I was just deep in a mtt and it was cancelled?

Did this happen to anyone else / why did this happen
I was unable to log in 5-10 minutes ago. Server went down.

Looks like its back up
09-05-2019 , 08:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BetOnline Mike
Hey Guys,

New Sit & Go Steps tournaments are the fast track to major rewards for little risk!

How Do They Work?

Pull up a seat at Step 1 for just $1.50 and work your way up the ladder to win prizes as big as $1,000! With buy-ins that low, you’re sure to find a level that fits your bankroll.

All Sit & Go Steps are 6-Max, so they’ll fill up quickly and the action kicks in fast. Depending on how the cards fall and how you finish, you may move up a “Step” to play the next level. Win a final Step 8 Sit & Go, and the $1,000 cash prize is all yours!


https://promotions.betonline.ag/steps-tournaments

Please Let me know what you think about the new promotion, maybe some hints on how to improve, or just any comments about you guys enjoying it.

Kind Regards

Mike



Update rating: 2 out of 10 ( Big failure, players wasnt listened to AT ALL)

*Cons

*No PL Omaha or Pl hi low added tournaments at all not even sit n go.
*No option to even create or join a sit n go omaha or hi low over $7 micro dollars.
*No added Big money tournaments the highest tournament added to the tournament list i think is 22 dollars?
*No New holdem tournaments worth a dam, no creative structures on any tournament
*Still cannot use hard earned Poker points for anything.(Extremely Dissappointing, wont even play on the site until this is fixed)
*Sit n Go jackpots still wont pay over 300 dollars even though it says up to 5000 buyins


*Pros
There is new tournaments but they dont pay anything.

*Overall Upgrade Grade is an F+

*Would make suggestions but it would be pointless to. Me and other Regs on the site championed creative and just a basic mix of different types of poker and things that would increase traffic on the site and for the site to take over the US market and be #1 but nothing was listened too.
09-08-2019 , 05:48 PM
So everyone was complaining about the site taking a huge administrative fee from the Bad Beat Jackpot. Then they come out with a new BBJ structure that lowers the administrative fee, but then they remove all rakeback at the same time.

Nice slight of hand - give back money in one spot and make it right back on the other. What a slap in the face for all the regular players.
09-08-2019 , 06:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleR90
So everyone was complaining about the site taking a huge administrative fee from the Bad Beat Jackpot. Then they come out with a new BBJ structure that lowers the administrative fee, but then they remove all rakeback at the same time.

Nice slight of hand - give back money in one spot and make it right back on the other. What a slap in the face for all the regular players.
What rakeback? Do you mean the VIP points? If so, it was stated that new and better uses for the points would be available soon. I've voiced my displeasure with the liberal use of the word soon as it's been over a month at this point since we've been able use the points for tournament entries.

I don't think the improvement of their Bad Beat Jackpots promotion payouts has any relation to the delayed implementation of their new rewards program. I think the new rewards program is probably just taking longer to integrate into the client than they had hoped.
09-08-2019 , 07:27 PM
Got suspended for pio, I don't remember having pio solver on while playing after I got the warning e-mail. Told them if you look at my play I am playing not GTO in most spots, told me my account was updated and that they sent a explanation to the security team. No response yet, have moved my funds to my sports betting account so I can withdraw them but would prefer to keep playing. Could I get my poker account reinstated?
09-08-2019 , 10:02 PM
BetOnline Mike is going to ask you to send him your account details via private message. If you don't have the ability to private message yet then you'll have to do a little more posting before that feature is enabled for your account.
09-09-2019 , 11:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Compf
Got suspended for pio, I don't remember having pio solver on while playing after I got the warning e-mail. Told them if you look at my play I am playing not GTO in most spots, told me my account was updated and that they sent a explanation to the security team. No response yet, have moved my funds to my sports betting account so I can withdraw them but would prefer to keep playing. Could I get my poker account reinstated?
Hi Compf,

If you send me your account number and email address I can try and help with the situation.

Kind Regards

Mike
09-10-2019 , 07:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Compf
Got suspended for pio, I don't remember having pio solver on while playing after I got the warning e-mail. Told them if you look at my play I am playing not GTO in most spots, told me my account was updated and that they sent a explanation to the security team. No response yet, have moved my funds to my sports betting account so I can withdraw them but would prefer to keep playing. Could I get my poker account reinstated?
Why did you need a warning email to not use PIO? Isn't PIO like not allowed on any sites? Or like severely frowned on; as it is like being a bot? What is your screen name on betonline? Mike- do not help this guy and confiscate his funds.
09-10-2019 , 10:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by silkhandlez
Why did you need a warning email to not use PIO? Isn't PIO like not allowed on any sites? Or like severely frowned on; as it is like being a bot? What is your screen name on betonline? Mike- do not help this guy and confiscate his funds.
Using PIO in realtime is impossible, especially with the tiny timebank on Chico
Unless 4bet pots maybe...
09-10-2019 , 10:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by silkhandlez
Why did you need a warning email to not use PIO? Isn't PIO like not allowed on any sites? Or like severely frowned on; as it is like being a bot? What is your screen name on betonline? Mike- do not help this guy and confiscate his funds.
Something tell's me u cant play higher then NL2....

Pio have nothing to do with bots, its an elite tool to study game post session and Chico is franky an only site that do not allow to use that software.
09-10-2019 , 09:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by silkhandlez
Why did you need a warning email to not use PIO? Isn't PIO like not allowed on any sites? Or like severely frowned on; as it is like being a bot? What is your screen name on betonline? Mike- do not help this guy and confiscate his funds.
I don't think you fully understand how Pio and other solvers work. As the posts above mine mentioned, Pio and other solvers are generally used as off-the-table study tools. The amount of help that commercial solvers can provide you while you're at the tables is very limited at this point in time. Confiscating his funds would be a bit too much in my mind.

On the other hand, a bot program is a program that's literally advising you on what plays to make in real time and is able to execute the action for you. Pretty much every non-bot user agrees that these types of programs should not be allowed.

I also don't have a problem with them having a rule that prohibits certain programs like Pio or Seating Scripts from running on your computer while you're at their tables. A warning for a first offense followed by a suspension for any additional offense seems fair to me.

I do think that there should be a clear list of what types of programs are allowed and not allowed on their rules page prior to any indefinite suspensions being issued.
09-10-2019 , 11:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MCAChiTown
I don't think you fully understand how Pio and other solvers work. As the posts above mine mentioned, Pio and other solvers are generally used as off-the-table study tools. The amount of help that commercial solvers can provide you while you're at the tables is very limited at this point in time. Confiscating his funds would be a bit too much in my mind.

On the other hand, a bot program is a program that's literally advising you on what plays to make in real time and is able to execute the action for you. Pretty much every non-bot user agrees that these types of programs should not be allowed.

I also don't have a problem with them having a rule that prohibits certain programs like Pio or Seating Scripts from running on your computer while you're at their tables. A warning for a first offense followed by a suspension for any additional offense seems fair to me.

I do think that there should be a clear list of what types of programs are allowed and not allowed on their rules page prior to any indefinite suspensions being issued.
Yes a list of programs would be nice...i don't see how hard it is to at least provide the ones that are definitely prohibited. A warning at least before suspension is only fair if they don't have a displayed list.

However, I commend BOL for banning Pio. Solvers can absolutely be linked to a bot. You don't have to have the entire solved solution, just groups of hands and situations. It's the next level of botting and good that a site is proactive in banning this type of software.
09-11-2019 , 01:25 AM
I forgot to add, but I previously suggested that instead of warnings, suspensions or any other penalty it would be better, in my opinion, if the client would just not open or would snap close if it detected any prohibited software running on your computer. This would prevent players from getting penalized for accidentally forgeting to close one of the programs prior to opening the other.
09-11-2019 , 02:06 AM
I think it should be very clear at this point that Betonline does not have the capability to figure out when people are properly running programs or not. And while the intent is good the way it is carried out now hurts honest players a lot more than it helps.

Basically no site allows you to have a solver open while the software is running and yet Betonline seems to be the only one mistakenly identifying people to have the program open when they clearly don't. Their detection is so bad they are actually asking people to uninstall the program between sessions, it's the most ridiculous band-aid solution you could come up with.

It's the same as when they sent out a bunch of emails accusing regs of using software that they never did, or when someone posted earlier that they flagged their graphic card as a bot because they included the same generic word. They are not doing a good job of policing their games and at this point as an honest player I am more worried about my funds being taken away because I mistakenly get flagged than I am about you policing your games. Another good friend of me who barely plays there got his account locked the other day where they claimed he uses a solver while the software is open which he never has. Either Betonline has better detection software than Stars, Party, 888, GG, Ipoker etc or they are flagging people incorrectly. The fact that they tell you to uninstall the software is almost an admission that they know they aren't able to detect it correctly.
09-11-2019 , 05:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by spaishoot2k
Something tell's me u cant play higher then NL2....

Pio have nothing to do with bots, its an elite tool to study game post session and Chico is franky an only site that do not allow to use that software.
Probably right, Mostly play mtts, but would play you specifically at higher stakes then 2 nl if interested.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MCAChiTown
I don't think you fully understand how Pio and other solvers work. As the posts above mine mentioned, Pio and other solvers are generally used as off-the-table study tools. The amount of help that commercial solvers can provide you while you're at the tables is very limited at this point in time. Confiscating his funds would be a bit too much in my mind.

On the other hand, a bot program is a program that's literally advising you on what plays to make in real time and is able to execute the action for you. Pretty much every non-bot user agrees that these types of programs should not be allowed.

I also don't have a problem with them having a rule that prohibits certain programs like Pio or Seating Scripts from running on your computer while you're at their tables. A warning for a first offense followed by a suspension for any additional offense seems fair to me.

I do think that there should be a clear list of what types of programs are allowed and not allowed on their rules page prior to any indefinite suspensions being issued.
I know how pio works, had a coach use it several times during coaching session, you plug situation of your hand, and plug in villain's percieved hand ranges and action taken. it then shows you a pyramid of options ranging from best to worst actions you can take. and then that is the answer. So it is kind of just like botting. It might take a bit to plug stuff in. But Can easily be done 1 tabling. I dont think confiscating funds is over the top at all. It is cheating, it is worse then taking steroids before the olympics.
09-11-2019 , 05:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mement_mori
I think it should be very clear at this point that Betonline does not have the capability to figure out when people are properly running programs or not. And while the intent is good the way it is carried out now hurts honest players a lot more than it helps.

Basically no site allows you to have a solver open while the software is running and yet Betonline seems to be the only one mistakenly identifying people to have the program open when they clearly don't. Their detection is so bad they are actually asking people to uninstall the program between sessions, it's the most ridiculous band-aid solution you could come up with.

It's the same as when they sent out a bunch of emails accusing regs of using software that they never did, or when someone posted earlier that they flagged their graphic card as a bot because they included the same generic word. They are not doing a good job of policing their games and at this point as an honest player I am more worried about my funds being taken away because I mistakenly get flagged than I am about you policing your games. Another good friend of me who barely plays there got his account locked the other day where they claimed he uses a solver while the software is open which he never has. Either Betonline has better detection software than Stars, Party, 888, GG, Ipoker etc or they are flagging people incorrectly. The fact that they tell you to uninstall the software is almost an admission that they know they aren't able to detect it correctly.
they are trying to not be americas cardroom. Instead of looking at it like "incorrectly punishing people" Look at it like "they are not ****ing around".
09-12-2019 , 09:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by silkhandlez
they are trying to not be americas cardroom. Instead of looking at it like "incorrectly punishing people" Look at it like "they are not ****ing around".
I use Pio Solver during play, I assume it's ok because it doesn't automatically close down like in stars.
I then get an e-mail saying Pio is prohibited, I proceed to close Pio whenever I play.
Your Ruling-My funds get confiscated as it is apparently not ok to have Pio installed at all. (???)

I play only MTTs too, with the short time banks there is no time to even input the situations let alone account for ICM. To top it off I'm a breakeven player and I actually support the ban on Pio or any GTO solver during play, I just would never not use them out of principle if it was legal nor do I not understand (like many posters here) why BOL doesn't just automatically close itself if it detects Pio. I would probably pay for that privilege at this point.

I'm not arguing about what is right for the poker ecosystem or opposing BOL policy, I'm arguing that I never intentionally violated rules or disregarded messages (as I said I'm a breakeven MTT player who's play is far from GTO) and that I shouldn't have assumed Pio had to be completely removed from my computer, which I would do in the future if I play again on BOL.
09-12-2019 , 04:52 PM
Really lame. They just had a $3.30 $300 GTD tourney with $30,000 prizepool up and cancelled it with 15 mins of late reg remaining.

I was 5th in chips. I guess ICM means nothing.

I understand why you cancelled but I think you guys should reward players a little better for something that was your mistake. Especially after it had been running for almost 2 hours.

      
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