They announced the rake change upfront via email and the numbers are available on their website at any time. Now are the rates fair? No. Will it hurt them in the long run? Perhaps. But they are a private company and they can raise it to 50% if they want to, it's not your obligation to stay and keep playing. Using words like robbery or scam makes me think you haven't been truly scammed or robbed before. But as I said, good luck with your mission, whatever helps you sleep at night

To be fair I have accounts at BOL and SB, play a ton of hands and never received an email from either about the rake increase. I only found out because of this forum.

Their emails tend to slide into spam folder, I'm getting like 2-3 per week, mostly casino and sports betting promos

I already tried to tell you recs aren’t gonna read them

xD

whatever dude, gl

Based on a hand I came across over at the Gypsyteam forum, it appears that they messed up what hands triggered the jackpots. Their rules stated you needed to lose with at least aces full and you needed to have pocket aces. It appears that what actually happened was that it was triggering when the board had trip aces and you and your opponent had any pocket pair. That almost certainly resulted in the jackpots depleting faster than they anticipated.


100% ^


While I agree that I would've worded some things differently, if "all I see is a manchild kicking and screaming around" is all you've taken from his posts then I think you've missed a lot of good criticism and might be lacking in empathy with how frustrating it is for players with limited options to lose one of those options. Yes, the players who don't like these ridiculous rake increases should stop playing in those games, that doesn't mean they shouldn't voice some valid criticism on their way out so that any new or potential players see what they're getting themselves into.


So they've now raised the reg battling rake to an insane level, which resulted in players understandably resorting to extreme bumhunting tactics, so they're now sending out mass warnings and putting restrictions on players' accounts. These are the types of players they fostered by raising the rake that much and now they're punishing them even more.


I did get it, but I don't check my emails every day, and I know they often do end up in my spam box as well. I only found out because, thankfully, other players informed me before I sat down. Unless there were notifications on the tables, I bet there were a lot of other players who were uninformed prior to paying the new rake. Personally I think there should have been a prompt in the client you had to agree to have read before being able to sit down when such an extreme change in rake occurs.

I understand his frustration, who likes to see the rake go up especially by such a large margin? But I've been checking this forum more than usual since the update and everyday it was just him posting in a manchild manner and foreseeing their end. Criticism is ok, but crying about the same thing over and over again gets tiring. The best thing you can do if you're not being listened to is to simply leave, you'll probably do better somewhere else and the site you now hate so much will have less traffic without your participation, so pretty clear win/win situation.

I know many people who were predicting death of online poker back in 2015 when PIO was released, saying in 2-3 years max the games will become unbeatable and everyone will just switch to live games. Well it's 2023 and although wounded, we're still battling it out. So again, yes, they MOST LIKELY fked up but nobody knows what the future holds

e: It's kinda ironic because couple of days prior to the rake incident I was actually liking their recent changes, also taking into consideration Chris's activity on this forum and was thinking to myself they might be finally choosing the right direction, but then the March 1st happened and I wished I never had those thoughts

Wanted to follow up for anyone who reads the thread, I did decide to deposit and the games are, IMO, significantly better than ignition, at least for PLO. First, the pool at lower stakes is much more as you'd expect in terms of having plenty of weak players. Second, the software is 10x better and running it 2-3x really helps reduce variance. Third, the structure and game offerings are better - I love 5 handed 5 card PLO. The traffic is definitely worse but the rest more than makes up for it.

agreed I really preferred this place over Ignition but even with a soft pool 6.25% rake is really hard to beat. at $25 PLO there would usually only be like 16-20 players on at a time and half of them would be the same 2-3 regs

Exactly…..the player pool, traffic, and software become irrelevant if you can’t beat the rake long term with no rakeback. Unless you are there to just lose in which case this is the perfect site for recs to accomplish that

Chris, can we please get run it twice at the PLO hi-lo tables?

Seems strange that it is the only game that doesn't have it.

Also, can we have an option in settings to turn off straddle the same as auto-muck and wait for big blind?

Lots of players time out because they miss the straddle option and then the software auto sits them out.

The straddle is also hard to see. If UTG straddled or min raised is right now impossible to know when playing more then one table. A button or sign that says STRADDLE must be added.

And just like poster above said, we need the option to turn it off. Or atleast remove the auto sit out when missed to react on straddle option

You can turn it off, however not from the regular settings panel. Once at the table, expand the tables options (where the sit out buttons are) and check 'no straddle'. It took me a while to find this after also being sat out frequently.

Yes but you have to do that every time you sit down. There should be an option to have it permanently off, like auto muck and wait for big blind.

Myself and most other players are straddling ~0% of the time.

Alternatively if you time out from missing the straddle option the software should not sit you out.

I totally agree with you.

I like it because it makes the nits at least have to click a button not to straddle. Especially when the recreational player is straddling so much, maybe you should consider throwing it on sometimes

what does players typing "r" in chat mean.

Hey Lizzuma,

Noticed your contribution towards PLO games and would like to add that the site is looking to incorporate a Bad Beat Jackpot for PLO games exclusively. It is not confirmed yet, but it seems that the Bad Beat Jackpot for PLO games might be added in April.

Just adds a little extra flavor to the games.

Will update the thread once I get a potential launch date from the site.

Regards,
Chris

Thanks guys,

I've passed the feedback regarding Straddle on H/L games and option to turn off from the settings.

Will let you know if there is any specific response from the Poker Team.

Regards,
Chris

Is there a reload bonus for ignition right now?

Thank you for answering. But I have to repeat myself, when you didn't reply on my feedback which I felt was more urgent, that it's hard to see the straddle and a sign or something is needed, this is a example of why:

If it's my turn to act in the big blind, and the only action infront of me is UTG who laid out two bb's. Impossible to know if UTG raised or straddled, if he min raised action is closed if I call, but if he straddled he is still to act if I call. How can i play my BB without getting this information pointed out?

A BBJ for PLO players MIGHT be added in april.... CHRIST

Right now the PLO players getting wrecked. You raised our fee to play at your site, not a little but A LOT, and we're getting nothing in return. Sure we got throwable's but c'mon.

We had a good run..

Yep. iPoker at 10NL and GG at 1kNL have slightly higher rake, but you are able to get rakeback on both of those networks which pushes Chico to the highest effective rake across all of the stakes they offer, and that's not even taking into account the jackpot fees taken.

These charts are for 6-handed play only, but it's not any better, and often worse, for other table sizes.


Here is $5/$10



It's completely nonsensical.

There were times I'd battle regs short-handed and HU for hours without a recreational player present.

They already had the second highest effective rake prior to raising it. Having a higher rake than softer American friendly sites prior them raising it was already bad, but raising their effective rake higher than GG, which is the biggest network in the world, is completely insane! PokerScout consistently listed Chico just outside of the Top 10 for all poker site traffic.

is this a joke

Good luck BetOnline!!!

Global now has 30% rakeback on all ring game hands lmao. They call it the vault. Ahhhhhhhhh hahhahahahaha

@betonlinechris

Having a rake cap of 30 BB for a single hand is outrageous. This has to be adjusted, i can't imagine the player pool survives very long with that amount of rake being taken.

What was the rake before the new Bad Beat Jackpot promo started?