wow, that's a straight up killer. even with rakeback it was hard to beat this network - by my calculations I'm paying 14bb/100 at the $25PLO tables. sounds like it'll go up to 16bb+?? no way, I'm cooked.

So they raised the rake so they could have separate bad beats jackpots at different levels. Huge mistake. They are going to penny pinch their way to having no cash game traffic. Just some god awful decisions by their entire staff over the last few years. Good luck!!!

yeah I just loaded up a session and indeed - the rake, which was already the higher than any other poker site I've ever played on, has gone up another 10%. I think I'm a good PLO player but upon further calculations this is going to wind up around 17.5bb/100 for me...no way am I consistently beating that for more than 1-2bb/100. I liked this site but I have to be done with it now.

Agree, the only way to beat these things is to not show up. Easier said than done I know. People still played after the points were cut. As a player you eventually have to take a stand and do what’s in your best interest. In my opinion everyone in this forum should share that Betonline is raising rake with no rakeback essentially making it unbeatable. Post wherever you can and share with anyone else you know that plays

Not only did the rake go up, but it appears that they've also increased the cap on the jackpot contribution. The cap used to be .50 per hand for the big BBJ, with .10 for every $4 going to the jackpot.



The now easier to hit jackpots still come with a 5% administration fee every time someone wins, which is just more rake worded differently.



At NL500 that's a rake cap of $7+$2. For comparison my local cardroom, which is infinitely softer, is $6+$1.

Just noticed the cap doubled for HU play at 200NL, 2.5xed for 500NL and 3xed for 1kNL.
For 3-handed it increased 50% at 200NL and 2xed at 500NL and 1kNL.
And that still comes with the BBJ contribution, for which you can't trigger without 4 players in the hand.

Who do you guys expect to get games started?

Good find!!! I’m sure you have more reach than me on various forums. Please share all your info as much as possible. This has to stop

All you have to do is stop playing on this dog**** site. Nothing else stops them from anything.

But russians will continue to grind for 350-650$a month at lower stakes there, esp in Russian regions where average salary in town is smth like 250$, because they dont have much other choice besides ipoker wpn bros.

Thats the only reason why they even allow themselves this lol, cose 85-90%+ of their pool at this point is russian/post ussr leftovers (but even dumbest russians will move to sites ive mentioned in a bit).

This obv wont kill games on chico entirely, but traffic which if u ask me wasnt great at all will shrink quite a lot, just not immediately. We`ve seen exact same behavior and result with stars already (lol at their lol traffics 10k in morning/daytime, and 40-50k peak on sunday primetime evenings LOL). Now u take chico numbers which obv are insanely smaller and reduce them, you`ll have some very sad amount of tables running even during peak times.

Time will tell, i am amazed at their `ideas/changes/marketing` breaindead monkeys that literately copy everything others are doing, thinking they are in position to do GG poker changes (which they are not).
Chico is nowhere near as soft (esp w anon lobbies) as highest effective rake online can support long term sustainably.

Reason why noone is commenting on 2p2 on any **** changes anymore that much, is because there are mostly russians (post ussr) left grinding in games- most of them dont even know a word in English (like i mentioned above).
So they will continue grinding even if its 1.5bb/100 cose it still beats 300$ avg salary

chico in 1 full calendar year went from one of still reasonable places to play to pretty much: 1) not better than any other option available up to 2) actually worst of all other options

Maybe now some braindead regs are thinking `well now that other regs will move over somewhere else, i can start winning good lololol` but thats just not how upping effective rake works, will take tards some time tho to realize it and only then traffic will die big time.

I think many of the high volume regs are already aware and those who aren't will become aware of it in the coming days.

It's their site, so they're obviously free to do whatever they want with the rake. I just can't see it being sustainable or many regs continuing to play here for much longer. I think the traffic will speak for itself in the coming months and they'll either be forced to lower the rake or go the way of Merge and other rooms that currently have a laughable amount of traffic compared to their peaks.

While I enjoyed playing on their software more than my other options it's not like the games were so good that it will suck all that much to move onto greener pastures. I just wish they had had better management to make it a more enticing place for more players to want to play at.

For further comparison here are how 3 other traditional poker networks available to US players compare when it comes to rake.

ACR/WPN



Bovada/Ignition



Global Poker



BetOnline/Chico

Across the board highest rake in the world, right? I don't think the games are anywhere near soft enough to justify this, and the rakeback is non-existent.

Need to start a new thread on its own and not in the official or unofficial forum with the title “BetOnline players beware of high rake” with this exact post

What a sad day.

I already pay a mountain of rake, I was looking at my tracker the other day wondering how much longer it will take me to hit $1m in total rake paid lol, not gonna stick around to find out now.

Dispersing the large jackpot into small ones and bumping up rake to an unreasonably high level? They must love their players. #morerakeisbetter

I've been away for a couple of weeks, and after logging in, can't find a single non-straddle table available at PLO? Checked all filters etc.

After discovering the increased rake issue, is this why the non-straddle games have disappeared? Have the regular non-straddle players given up on this network?

Thx

So chico announced MORE JACKPOTS 1st march!

And after a day or smth (ppl hit a lot of them, that probably shocked them, cose the shiny number that u see in the lobby is now a small one instead of big attractive one) they changed rules back to 2222+ quads full loser (as it was), w/o any announcements btw.

So returned to what its been before, but KEPT new 2.0 jackpot raking system, and kept at nl50- stakes.

What a poker site. What a scam.

jesus.

I noticed this too, can Chris elaborate on this one? Is it intended?

Hey Phew,

I believe the sites ran into a technical issue with the Full House hand requirement and they are trying to fix this at the moment. I've been told the plan is to lower it back to Aces Full once the issues are resolved. I will keep an eye out on this one and update this thread with further news on that.

Regards,
Chris

Problem with this site there are many (much more basic) technical issues that takes years to resolve some of which are still not resolved.

Smth tells me this one will not get fixed, and was intentional scam move.

Obv will keep an eye on it, need to keep players informed (since site`s new policy is to avoid informing players about `bugs` like this).

Genius false advertisement move tho.

bravo.

I don't get your point lancelott, if you hate this site so much why don't you just move on to a next one?

I don't like some of the features either and the last rake increase was a stab in the back, fatal for some of the regs, but no one is forcing you to play here, I noticed couple of your recent replies and it has minimum amount of constructive criticism, all I see is a manchild kicking and screaming around.

When Amaya took over PS and removed SN and SNE status I also just left despite leaving years of my play behind. We tried to present some ideas, got ignored => moved on. It's in our "job" description afterall, to search for the most suitable site for us to play on, luckily, there's plenty of options

Yea sry. Ur right.
I`m done commenting/complaining about this site or here in general. Got better things to do.

Enjoy your stay with this new looked site.

p.s. btw they started to send letters that ban you for bumhunting or suspend your ability to see regular non-autosit tables in lobby (aka GG poker system). Many players already received it.
If u dont grind regwar biggest rake in online poker, your account will get restricted. Great stuff.

You go ahead and enjoy your stay here with new rake, jackpots and bumhunt system.

Im legit done here.

Disagree…clueless recs need to know they are getting robbed by the rake. I will let them know anywhere I can even if I have a zero balance on the site

Yeah I'm sure 2+2 is full of them, gl with your mission tho

I’m not talking about just 2+2. The reason they are able to raise the rake in the first place is because of all the morons that don’t pay attention to any details. That’s why it’s robbery. They know they have a player base that don’t read any fine print. They just show up no matter what. I don’t care if I only turn a few away. You aren’t helping the situation by continuing to play either