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07-22-2022 , 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Waking Up
Heard this site discontinued rakeback. Is this site even beatable without RB? I see they are moving to a leaderboard points thing, sort of copying GG Poker's reimbursement model. Does this make up for it?

its not easy without rakeback deal because even on chico is the rake one of the highest
07-22-2022 , 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by whitemares
Are the player pools between BOL and SportsBetting actually segregated? When I asked support, representatives from both skins told me that they were, but after putting in some volume on BOL, I checked out the leaderboards on SportsBetting today, and they have the same exact player names that would routinely top the leaderboards on BOL

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no BOL, SB and Tigergaming are the three skins of the „Chico Network“

every skin operates individually but share the same player pool
07-22-2022 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by ReadsEnhancer
BetOnline.ag Poker: Cash Games Thread
no BOL, SB and Tigergaming are the three skins of the „Chico Network“

every skin operates individually but share the same player pool
This is correct, thanks ReadsEnhancer.

All 3 brands share the player pool.

Regards,
Chris
09-10-2022 , 05:42 AM
Good afternoon. I want to draw your attention to a person who regularly violates the rules of conduct at the poker tables. He avoids playing without a very bad player without leaving the table, and every time he is kicked for inactivity, he returns, sits out, and avoids playing any further until a new player arrives. He enters the game, checks if this is a bad player, and if not, he sits out again. He does it at 3-4-5 handed tables. At the same time, he always played at other tables in parallel. As a rule, if you don't want to play, you leave the table. This kind of behavior is toxic, destructive to the game, and as far as I know it's forbidden in any poker room.
I have compiled for you a huge selection of specific hands in which, and around which, he showed this behavior. If you have statistics on how many % of hands a person sits out at the table, then this number for this player will be in the region of 70-80%, according to my observations. I really hope that I did this work of collecting information not in vain, and you will punish this malicious violator. His nickname is Manu20


manu20 sitout 1003425024, reseat at 1003425833 and snipe again
manu20 sitout after fish lost all chips and evade play 1003426054
manu20 came and sitout 1002370619, then seat in for 1 round, check no extremely bad players at the table, and sit out to sniping again
manu20 came to table and sit out 1001857220, kicked and came back play 1 round and sitout again 1001857568, played 1 round, saw noone interesting came and sitout again 1001859702
manu20 hands 966901631 and 966901673, hands 966903065 and 966903274, stand up and reseat and sitout again 966904194
manu20 hand 990782620 come to table and sitting out then reseat and sitting out and again and again. it is probably scripter who forget to turn off
manu20 sit and sitout 1001854814 and around.
manu20 sitout after table fulfilled because bad fish. he waits until someone leave because of that and the possibility for good fish come will opens (and that happened) = sniping 1001855806, 1001856532 he was kicked and he came back and sitout again
hand 992346813 manu20 sit out
09-10-2022 , 09:06 AM
Good work!

Use the email for the website you play on to contact them with this exact information copy and pasted.

gameintegrity@betonline.ag
gameintegrity@sportsbetting.ag
gameintegrity@tigergaming.com
09-12-2022 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by BetOnline Mike
Hi My name is Mike, please feel free to post in our forums and ask me or my colleagues any questions related to bet online or the thread titles.
Do you offer rake back, and can I change my nickname which shows on the tables when I feel it’s necessary?
09-13-2022 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by NetVoine
Good afternoon. I want to draw your attention to a person who regularly violates the rules of conduct at the poker tables. He avoids playing without a very bad player without leaving the table, and every time he is kicked for inactivity, he returns, sits out, and avoids playing any further until a new player arrives. He enters the game, checks if this is a bad player, and if not, he sits out again. He does it at 3-4-5 handed tables. At the same time, he always played at other tables in parallel. As a rule, if you don't want to play, you leave the table. This kind of behavior is toxic, destructive to the game, and as far as I know it's forbidden in any poker room.
I have compiled for you a huge selection of specific hands in which, and around which, he showed this behavior. If you have statistics on how many % of hands a person sits out at the table, then this number for this player will be in the region of 70-80%, according to my observations. I really hope that I did this work of collecting information not in vain, and you will punish this malicious violator. His nickname is Manu20


manu20 sitout 1003425024, reseat at 1003425833 and snipe again
manu20 sitout after fish lost all chips and evade play 1003426054
manu20 came and sitout 1002370619, then seat in for 1 round, check no extremely bad players at the table, and sit out to sniping again
manu20 came to table and sit out 1001857220, kicked and came back play 1 round and sitout again 1001857568, played 1 round, saw noone interesting came and sitout again 1001859702
manu20 hands 966901631 and 966901673, hands 966903065 and 966903274, stand up and reseat and sitout again 966904194
manu20 hand 990782620 come to table and sitting out then reseat and sitting out and again and again. it is probably scripter who forget to turn off
manu20 sit and sitout 1001854814 and around.
manu20 sitout after table fulfilled because bad fish. he waits until someone leave because of that and the possibility for good fish come will opens (and that happened) = sniping 1001855806, 1001856532 he was kicked and he came back and sitout again
hand 992346813 manu20 sit out
Thanks for the report NetVoine,

I also have escalated this on my end in case you have not sent it directly yourself.

My best,
Chris
09-13-2022 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by stabrt
Do you offer rake back, and can I change my nickname which shows on the tables when I feel it’s necessary?
Hi stabrt,

The site does not offer a "rakeback" program per se, but there is daily and weekly leaderboards that award frequent players with cash rewards based on activity. There's leaderboards on NLHE and PLO Cash Games, SNG Leaderboards and Daily ones on Boost Games (Fast-Fold) and Windfalls (their Spin & Go games).

You can opt-in and check the details of these in the "Missions" section of the poker client (desktop), they are called "Contests" in the mobile platform.

Any questions related to those feel free to post them here.

My best,
Chris
09-14-2022 , 12:02 AM
funny how about a bit over a year ago site promoted that it leaves giving away rakeback, wants to take direction into non rb players / ecosystem / recs philosophy.

aaaand some time later..

all affiliates started to offer 20% on chico as default these days (made games so much worse ever since).

fun stuff.
09-15-2022 , 01:48 PM
can anyone tell me how to get the "wait until BB" option to actually stick? feel like half the time I join a cash table it'll wait until it's my blind, the other half it'll just randomly post me right away. I have the wait option selected, idk what else I can do
09-15-2022 , 04:10 PM
Hello i play 5/10 mainly and some 2/5 on Chico , started the previus month.I feel like 4/5 regs are using seating script there.At some point i thought its legal to use seating script there but found out it is not but chico still doesnt care much.Probably there are RTA users as well etc but as long as there are whales in the pool it doesnt matter that much it can still be very profitable.Whats your thoughts on seating scripts there is it a reality or i am just getting paranoid?
09-15-2022 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Bad Beat Bill
can anyone tell me how to get the "wait until BB" option to actually stick? feel like half the time I join a cash table it'll wait until it's my blind, the other half it'll just randomly post me right away. I have the wait option selected, idk what else I can do
My experience has been that it will make you post if you buy in at exactly the moment when hole cards are getting dealt. Don’t use auto buy in and only buy in when hole cards have already been dealt to players in a hand and I haven’t had a problem since.
09-16-2022 , 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by EvLunatic
Hello i play 5/10 mainly and some 2/5 on Chico , started the previus month.I feel like 4/5 regs are using seating script there.At some point i thought its legal to use seating script there but found out it is not but chico still doesnt care much.Probably there are RTA users as well etc but as long as there are whales in the pool it doesnt matter that much it can still be very profitable.Whats your thoughts on seating scripts there is it a reality or i am just getting paranoid?

i think chico is one of the networks which cares much about rta/ seating scripts as they anonymized table observation last year and banned some rta users and paid out affected users

i think chico is safer as WPN due to that
09-16-2022 , 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by lancelott_
funny how about a bit over a year ago site promoted that it leaves giving away rakeback, wants to take direction into non rb players / ecosystem / recs philosophy.

aaaand some time later..

all affiliates started to offer 20% on chico as default these days (made games so much worse ever since).

fun stuff.
I disagree with your latter point. I've been around for a while and 3rd party rakeback has always been available. I don't believe that has ever had much of an effect on the quality of games other than when they've stopped giving rakeback to some affiliates the traffic decreases.

The most recent 2 things I'd point to first if you've noticed a difference in the quality of the games is:

1. Countries with lots of regs getting banned from bigger sites like Stars and Party seeking out other options.
2. The anonymous lobby. Even recreational players like to know and choose who they play with. It definitely seemed to me that after it was implemented there has been less recreational players in the games. This network took away one of the few things people preferred about playing here over choosing to play at sites like Ignition/Bovada and ACR/the WPN sites.


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Originally Posted by Bad Beat Bill
can anyone tell me how to get the "wait until BB" option to actually stick? feel like half the time I join a cash table it'll wait until it's my blind, the other half it'll just randomly post me right away. I have the wait option selected, idk what else I can do
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Originally Posted by camden123
My experience has been that it will make you post if you buy in at exactly the moment when hole cards are getting dealt. Don’t use auto buy in and only buy in when hole cards have already been dealt to players in a hand and I haven’t had a problem since.
Camden is correct about the best current solution. Turning off auto-buyin being the number one thing. It has been an issue on this network for years and has been mentioned in this forum many times without a resolution ever being implemented. When the anonymous lobby was implemented it also caused the issue to happen much more frequently.


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Originally Posted by EvLunatic
Hello i play 5/10 mainly and some 2/5 on Chico , started the previus month.I feel like 4/5 regs are using seating script there.At some point i thought its legal to use seating script there but found out it is not but chico still doesnt care much.Probably there are RTA users as well etc but as long as there are whales in the pool it doesnt matter that much it can still be very profitable.Whats your thoughts on seating scripts there is it a reality or i am just getting paranoid?
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Originally Posted by ReadsEnhancer
i think chico is one of the networks which cares much about rta/ seating scripts as they anonymized table observation last year and banned some rta users and paid out affected users

i think chico is safer as WPN due to that
While I can't say with 100% certainty that there is no RTA or botting in the NL cash games, I'd worry a lot less about it on this network than playing at almost any other network. There are several different reasons for this that I won't get too detailed on, but I do trust that they have a very good security team when it comes to that stuff these days.

As far as seating scripts go, they are 100% still present in the cash games. I used to be able to identify and report them prior to the anonymous lobby, but the anonymous lobby has made it nearly impossible for me to consistently identify them and feel confident in reporting them as regularly as I used to.
09-16-2022 , 11:03 AM
ok interesting to know it's been a long standing issue, I thought I was doing something wrong

I've also noticed that my bet sizing presets only seem to take on like, half of the tables. the other half it just reverts to the defaults. anyone know why that is?
09-16-2022 , 11:54 AM
Are you referring to the client's betting buttons that can be adjusted or some kind of 3rd party software?

I don't believe I've ever seen someone mention that they've had an issue with the ones within the client. I haven't had any issues with them in my own personal experience.

There is an issue semi-related to that though. When you're in the blinds the client will add an extra SB or BB to your bet size depending on which of those positions you are in.

This, again, is an issue that has been mentioned for multiple years on this forum and has yet to be addressed. They even made a webpage on their website where they acknowledged it was an issue more than a year ago.
https://promotions.betonline.ag/poker-known-issues

Slightly related to that, their client hotkeys have always been glitchy and malfunctional and the way their client calculates raise sizings is incorrect.
09-16-2022 , 02:48 PM
it's the BOL software - the defaults are 2x, 3x, 5x, and so on. I changed the 2x to 2.5x, as well as some of the percentages. when I load a table, half the time I get 2x, half I get 2.5x. it's very odd.
09-16-2022 , 03:53 PM
also - setting to not auto buy in does fix the issue, at least when it doesn't automatically buy me in. by the same token, sometimes my default buy in is 100BB, sometimes it's 40BB. it really seems like it's just randomly deciding to go back to defaults, but only half the time
09-16-2022 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Bad Beat Bill
it's the BOL software - the defaults are 2x, 3x, 5x, and so on. I changed the 2x to 2.5x, as well as some of the percentages. when I load a table, half the time I get 2x, half I get 2.5x. it's very odd.
That's not an issue I've heard of before. Could be new or just something that I've been lucky to have avoided.


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Originally Posted by Bad Beat Bill
also - setting to not auto buy in does fix the issue, at least when it doesn't automatically buy me in. by the same token, sometimes my default buy in is 100BB, sometimes it's 40BB. it really seems like it's just randomly deciding to go back to defaults, but only half the time
The auto-buy-in being off should fix that issue for about 95%+ of the time. To make sure it almost never happens follow camden's advice about when to buy in.

The buy-in amount setting shouldn't matter at all anymore. At some point last year the network decision-makers decided that everybody had to buy-in at 100bb. I can't imagine that setting it to any other amount would affect that.

Last edited by MCAChiTown; 09-16-2022 at 06:37 PM.
09-16-2022 , 08:07 PM
Is 20% rakeback really being offered again by affiliates?

I pay a ton of rake but my affiliate was apparently cut off ages ago...
09-16-2022 , 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMVP
Is 20% rakeback really being offered again by affiliates?

I pay a ton of rake but my affiliate was apparently cut off ages ago...
Same
10-06-2022 , 05:53 PM
Is there a BOL cash game wr thread?
10-21-2022 , 02:06 AM
Wonder if anyone has opinion on cash games here or Bovada/Ignition? Imagine most people are gonna say Bovada is softer.
10-21-2022 , 03:43 AM
Now that BoL stopped paying out extra rb to affiliates (many received such email not that long ago) so chico stepping up and actually going the direction it said it was going year and a half ago, we will have TONS of new nicknames registering new russian accounts from SportsBetting/TigerGaming, so not much will change.

Id rather chico be chico than wpn/ipoker.nr2

Maybe time to stop that as well?
11-03-2022 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMVP
Is 20% rakeback really being offered again by affiliates?

I pay a ton of rake but my affiliate was apparently cut off ages ago...
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Originally Posted by camden123
Same
Same here.

      
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