??? Obviously you're one of the guys doing it. Anyone else would be concerned, not immediately press for "evidence". I have no reason to make it up and I'm not the only person to point it out.

The zoom pools here are about as dirty as the game gets.

No worries.

I can't recall it having been mentioned about this network very often over the last few years. I'd remember if it was. The one poster who I recall claiming there was collusion taking place was only talking about SNGs. He has since reported that the situation has been resolved.

I can think of a few things, but it would all be dependent on your ability to provide evidence of it occurring, whether that's using a database of statistics to prove it or through recording it so that others can observe what you're seeing.

Global is going to be softer overall for a few different reasons. The main factor being that they only allow players from the USA and Canada.

Of course people play tighter in fast fold formats. That's true for any site.

What's wrong with people having multiple entries?

I can't think of a worse format to collude in than fast fold. LOL at people being very good at colluding at 10NL. If they were so good at knowing about blockers and card removal effects then they would be playing higher and making significantly more money than what they would earn colluding at 10NL. Even at 100NL they'd be making significantly more playing legitimately.

You claim that they're communicating their cards to each other off of the table, but also claiming they're using the chat that everybody else can see. My guess is that you saw some players speak in Russian and are now paranoid.

I played my way up through every NLHE cash game stake that is offered on this network and rarely ever suspected collusion.

Nothing can be done to address it if you don't provide the evidence of it happening.

I haven't seen any legitimate mentions about it in this forum, certainly none that provided evidence to go along with their claims.


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This is absolutely ridiculous! Because he asks you to provide evidence then he must be in on it? I can assure you that Oladipo is one of the good guys. He plays significantly higher stakes than you even mentioned.

Nobody else seems to be concerned because you are the only person who has claimed it's happening.

I don't know what your reasons are, but I can think of a few possibilities, all of which would be dispelled if you could provide some solid evidence to go along with your claims.

As far as I'm aware, the bots don't play fast fold on this network. Attempting to collude in fast fold would be ridiculously difficult to do consistently. We're talking about 10NL. For those reasons I highly question the fast fold pool is as dirty as you seem to believe.

It really didn't require an essay. I'm not going to sit down and compile "evidence" as it's simply not worth my time. If guys who play at significantly higher stakes than me don't want to hear about this, then fine - I couldn't care less either.

I just really don't think you seem to understand how little trust players who aren't literally professionals have for these networks. Outside of the main poker hubs online, in the US, most people stopped playing years ago for this very reason. There's nothing outlandish about at least strongly suspecting collusion. People make bolder statements about house players, rigged rngs, and bots on a daily basis even here on 2p2. If you think I'm paranoid, I don't even know what you'd call the average American who stopped playing years ago.

I do find instant defense and a request for "evidence" to be a little suspicious, though. The essay certainly doesn't do anything to quell those suspicions, either. Just my personal opinion, which we're all entitled to. I further suspect that another essay may be incoming so please save us both the time and energy and don't bother. I'm onto something else now that I've had my say. I still doubt you'll be able to resist responding at length, although I certainly won't know one way or the other.

It wasn't an essay as much as it was going through your post and responding to some of the unsubstantiated and false claims that you made.

It's not that we don't want to hear about legitimate claims of impropriety taking place in the games, if you read the NVG forum I think you'll find that those type of threads get lots of views, but only when there is legitmate evidence to back up the claims being made.

If you can't be bothered to take the time to provide evidence then don't make a claim such as obvious and rampant collusion is taking place on this network.

I think it's perfectly reasonable for players to be hesitant to play on unregulated sites. I do the best job I can to dispel fact from fiction in these forums to help players make a more informed decision when deciding whether they'd like to play at any of them.

There's nothing wrong with being suspicious of something questionable taking place in the games. That wasn't the problem here. The problem was that you stated collusion was taking place as a matter of fact without evidence to back it up.

The people who make "bolder statements about house players, rigged rngs, and bots" are properly criticized when they also can't provide any evidence to back it up.

The average American probably doesn't even know that these sites even exist and accept American players. There probably are plenty of people who stopped playing because of legitimate concerns as well.

If you think it's suspicious for people to ask for evidence when you make a claim of impropriety then you're going to be suspicious of a lot people for the rest of your life.

An opinion and suspicions are fine. Stating there is collusion taking place as a matter of fact without evidence to back it up is not.

Player onpokaa, who wins high hand promotion every week and ironman every month to the tune of 11k monthly. Recently admitted in chat to multiple players using the account to get hands in. This account is on 17 to over 24 hours daily. For weeks on end, no one player can do this. I've sent a complaint and the screenshot to support. I apologize I'm old but if someone can inform how to upload a screenshot from my phone I will upload the pic here as well.

https://ibb.co/VxfWnwD

Hopefully they're being properly investigated.

Can you show proof that they have played for 24 hours straight?

Outside of other players that can corroborate, no. There is a player pabloemilioescobar, that I know is also on here can.

To put this single screenshot into perspective. The chat before this was me saying: wow onpokaa been at it for almost 20 hours now. You must spend a fortune on coke.
His response was the screenshot.
It's long been suspected that this account is being played by several people. This account will go at it 17+ hours every day and never be "sat out" bathroom, bottle water anything. While this is somewhat possible. I dont see how one person can sustain this for several weeks. Weve all gone on benders and played way to long, but at most 2-3 days before 3 hours of sleep a day makes you crash. All this and player never makes a mistake and if it does it's very minor for cents, never a misclick or anything all while 8 tabling. Just extremely improbable unless the person is an immortal.

Am I the only one that isn't a fan of the high hand promo? I've noticed it has caused all the higher stakes players to now 8 table grind the micros. Making this limits substantially harder. They used to be pretty soft now not so much. I wish they would divide up promo for each level.

I've made these same arguments at length a few times already. High Hand and Iron Man make zero sense on any level and are a complete waste of promotional money for BetOnline. Like you said, they might be actively harming the games as well. BetOnline doesn't care.

Maberr , I made them aware of onpokaa weeks ago. They did nothing. Shameful! Now the account is flat out openly telling fellow players they're doing this.

This was @BetOnline Mike final response to me:

That's unbelievable, they make it really hard to want to continue play here. I do because of the mobile app but christ it cant be that difficult when accounts are openly admitting to cheating. I went to bed at 3 am est. He was 8 tabling .05 .10, woke up at 630 still 8 tabling, went back to sleep just woke up and yep hes still 8 tabling. Been at it since about 1pm est yesterday. And still winning multiple buy ins across all tables. This really is a joke.
I'm beginning to think this space is for betonline mike to say he posts here occasionally and nothing more. There are a few other accounts I have my suspicions about but nothing I can prove yet.

That is exactly why I cashed all my funds out from the site and will no longer play there. I agree with you!

And I hope this enlightens MANY MANY other players and brings awareness to the incompetence and, complete lack of regard, going on in this network.

If this is allowed on micro stakes, and low stakes. Even after being made directly aware of it by the players.

Imagine what is going on at mid-stakes and high stakes games...

Hes officially at 24 hours straight. Granted I slept from 230am to 630am so there is a 4 hour gap. He could have logged out right after I checked then logged back on right before I checked again..... possible not probable. I've been checking every hour on the hour before and after my sleep time. Again he could be logging out power napping for 58 minutes then logging back on but highly improbable. It amazes me an account is doing something so highly inhuman for 1 person, openly admitting to team play and yet there the account still sits 8 tabling.

Still checking in that account is now as of 6pm est at 29 hours at 8 tables.

Took a 1 hour break at it for 30 of 31 hours, but normal people can do that.

Needed a 1 hour break so he could play the next 30 hours. Just normal human things.

I think you're wrong that it plays for 30 hours straight, although it's possible. When he was my opponent, he always lost to me in marathons. My account is now frozen, but I hope that after all my actions, I will be unfrozen and I will be able to prove that a person can do a lot if they want. In my current financial situation, I think I could play ~ 120 hours easily (week) and do it at the beginning of the week as much as possible for tactical purposes. It would be cool for me to publicly prove my innocence on video and in parallel, all who doubt, there would be no more illusions about how much 1 person can play. I am almost sure that onpooka does not violate the rules, just his body adjusted to this mode, I myself felt that it became easy for me to cope with the load after the first victories and got into the taste. but because of such messages on the forum, the network decided to go to a meeting with players and publicly make a sacred sacrifice of me, and then ignore it and say that we banned one of them and found a violation (which can't be true for me), and this one is already honest and close this issue. It's all on the surface. In my opinion, bots are found now and prove that these bots are much easier than any violation and while the network does not do anything with them - I do not believe that it can conduct an investigation, and for example, track the transfer of the account - in my opinion it is more difficult, but I repeat, I am 95% sure that onpooka just got a taste like me.

Except for stating himself that multiple people use the onpokaa account, and I've been checking every hour except for a 4 hour gap when I slept, this account has been playing for 31 of 32 hours so far

About me, too, wrote complaints on this forum that I play 24/7In fact, the numbers are different (~13 hours per day). Also, I don't see a problem playing 32 hours in a row - absolutely, especially if he is currently fighting ( I don't have access to poker and can't see the tables) to win the weekly + iron man race.
You can read my story in crooked English (I used a translator) and know that at least I was deprived of everything unfairly and actually broke my life, although I honestly worked and died for these actions. So I would pay more attention to bot problems https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=269
You just complain and from the outside it seems that there is fraud everywhere, but in fact you can be wrong in many ways, including the numbers on my example (here I think from my experience that onpooka itself plays) - I just destroyed my life, did not pay at least 3750$, deprived of the opportunity to play in the network in which I played the last 3 years - you just can not imagine what a blow to life. Therefore, I believe that since the security service is not able to honestly deal with such issues, but can go to the crowd to meet, since this player is not profitable for the network, it is unnecessary to create such topics. Just as long as there are bots, and honest hard workers can be banned like me, who are killed for these prizes - this is the apotheosis of hypocrisy and unfairness.
I will not get tired of repeating that I am ready to play 36 hours in a row on camera and in my position-any numbers to prove that it is possible and prove my case

Jesus, is that you?

lol translation difficulties) but in some ways this analogy is not so funny if you move it to the poker plane

I completely disagree.

Even if we disregard what he typed in chat, even if you're both completely innocent, I believe it would be negligent not to thoroughly investigate anybody who is playing these extreme amount of hours. It's not normal and such an extreme workload usually indicates the use of a bot program or players playing on one account in shifts.

It needed to be brought to everyone's attention if only to clear the names of the players doing it in a legit manner. Even if it has been legit play in both of your cases I think the rewards program should be changed so that this type of thing doesn't happen in the future. There's no way that playing that many hours is healthy and it's incentivizing players to attempt to do it.