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02-03-2020 , 04:41 PM
What types of collusion are you guys referring to? Can you please elaborate and provide evidence either here or sent to me via private message.
02-03-2020 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DivineGlory
Well it is Monday, the high hand leaderboard starts at midnight Sunday, and otbBAtmanBAtya already has the equivalent of 22+ hours played. And Onpokaa is in the top 2 again. Guess he just took a week or two off to try and lower suspicion.

https://gyazo.com/85c0ca2deccafe1d79935247f556b812
Yah, it's super frustrating b/c Iron Man is the only promo I even have as a PLO player this month and I would have a reasonable shot at finishing in the money spots (there are only 3) if I were only up against human players, but I know that if I am even close to a reward that onpoka, otbBatman, and THX4Your, will just fire up their bots or pass the account between friends and put in as many 22+ hour days as needed in a row to shut me out.

So instead of putting in a big month volume wise, I'll just pick and choose games here and spread my play around to sites that actually give players incentive to play there.
02-04-2020 , 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Fossilkid93
onpoka, otbBatman, and THX4Your, will just fire up their bots .
stop talking nonsense and confuse everyone. Obviously these are not bots
02-04-2020 , 02:18 AM
They are either account sharing or they are bots. Evidence has been posted a couple times showing them playing impossible hours, 20+ hour days multiple times a week.

Not sure why you would defend them, but ok, that's your choice. Your random attacks on different people in these threads only wanting to clean the games up are doing far more to confuse everyone.
02-04-2020 , 02:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Fossilkid93
They are either account sharing or they are bots. Evidence has been posted a couple times showing them playing impossible hours, 20+ hour days multiple times a week.

Not sure why you would defend them, but ok, that's your choice. Your random attacks on different people in these threads only wanting to clean the games up are doing far more to confuse everyone.
They are obviously account sharing and of course no bots.

Lol I not defend them, just tired of your dumbness.
02-04-2020 , 03:39 AM
bots really a huge problem for chico. Typical random NL100 table - 5 bots !!!!



But they do not play many hands and many hours a day and do not claim to race, there are just a lot of them. And people like you are writing your nonsense are misleading and without that their dumb support
02-04-2020 , 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by joe64
They are obviously account sharing and of course no bots.

Lol I not defend them, just tired of your dumbness.
Yes they're are SEVERAL accounts doing this for the high hand leader board and iron man.
02-04-2020 , 10:53 AM
Can everybody with info on these accounts please send it to me in a private message and then I can get something done bout it.
Stats, screenshots, whatever information you have.

Kind Regards

Mike
02-04-2020 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by BetOnline Mike
Can everybody with info on these accounts please send it to me in a private message and then I can get something done bout it.
Stats, screenshots, whatever information you have.

Kind Regards

Mike
I did, and you guys only did something about one of them. When they were both doing the same exact thing.

Now I'm almost certain the one you did do something about. Is just playing under a different account. In fact it's quite obvious. Even the recreational players...They literally come to tables and type in chat who here is a bot? Happened again last night! How sad is that?

You also never replied to my email or pm. Even though the email address was supposedly your direct e-mail address and supposedly a quicker way for you to respond. Didn't hear back from you.

I dont get paid to do the work for Chico Network.
02-04-2020 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DivineGlory
Yes they're are SEVERAL accounts doing this for the high hand leader board and iron man.
no, several humans who play from 1 account for abuse races
02-04-2020 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by joe64
no, several humans who play from 1 account for abuse races
We're saying the same thing. Cheers!
02-04-2020 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MomsBasement420
They ever going to clean this place up? Bots all over, all sorts of suspicous accounts period, and some of the most blatant and obvious collusion you can find online today.
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Originally Posted by DivineGlory
But they wont stop obvious cheating, collusion,and bots.
You guys shouldn't just make statements like that without clarifying what you are referring to.

I'm all for calling out the cheating that we have evidence for, but let's not start throwing out accusations without something to back it up.
02-04-2020 , 05:18 PM
My nickname is teotecan. Now my account is closed, I was deprived of at least $3750. I answered in detail and told my story, please who did not see read https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=269 I think there should be no doubt about my integrity. I also consider it my duty to protect my opponents who continue to blame onpooka/otb_batmanbatya/thx4yourcheaps (I'm absolutely sure that these are honest players who play all the time in their strategy, communicate if they have something to ask and consistently, go to sit outs, they all play completely different strategies and they are quite specific and they are obviously different people, make pauses for sleep this is all very noticeable if you constantly play with them and watch), you just do not understand that you can play for 20 hours for a few days for $ 3000-5000, it reminds me of the times of the Inquisition and accusations of witchcraft, honest hard workers like me with low limits are ready to die for this money at the table, you just have to understand that this is an unrealistic motivation and when you go to sleep, if the opponent is playing, you will lose from $ 1000 to $ 2000, and so much effort has already been spent. Remember how many people play offline poker without sleep? constant stories for 2-3 days - easy and so on Also, in my opinion, with all the tools available to the security service, you can easily determine whether one person is playing or not, just compare the stats and strategy of the game conditionally every 5000 hands and it turns out that aggression and all sorts of specific parameters will be the same, and given that the game is played from one computer and often without interruption big session, there can be no doubt. Once again, if someone doubts that this is possible by one person - I am ready to make a public stream of such a game and if I am acquitted and paid what I deserve, then everyone will benefit from this-justice will be restored, no one will doubt that this is a cheater or softplay and the network will show that it is ready to publicly admit their mistakes and correct the situation. I published a real screenshot of my game by minutes - I am willing to repeat this an infinite number of times, for money prizes (2000 week + 3000 win iron man) I would getrepeat this several times on camera and dispel all the myths that it is quite easy for a person to do this if they want to, especially if they already have a successful experience . I hope for the support of the community and justice and now the stage of struggle, when real bots are not banned and the network protects them and ignores any complaints, I wrote to the support service in 2017 for bots nickname now active (I published a list of them in the post). If she also bans the bot network , it will be fine, but I do not hope for this, I am a realist -I can see how they've been doing things over the years in relation to this network. I have a couple of very interesting observations on bots that I don't want to write publicly so that the owners of such networks can see them, but an inner voice tells me that this is impossible to implement without additional intervention until I see the real struggle of the network with bots, I don't even want to share additional knowledge. Most of all, I hate this hypocrisy, that I was banned and you can trace how it happened from the first complaints, to the reaction of Mike and the fact that I just turned out to be a sacred victim. But at the same time about bots here spam and everyone knows who the bot is-NOTHING HAPPENS. Do you understand the extent of the network's hypocrisy?
02-05-2020 , 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Crocken
My nickname is teotecan. Now my account is closed, I was deprived of at least $3750. I answered in detail and told my story, please who did not see read https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=269 I think there should be no doubt about my integrity. I also consider it my duty to protect my opponents who continue to blame onpooka/otb_batmanbatya/thx4yourcheaps (I'm absolutely sure that these are honest players who play all the time in their strategy, communicate if they have something to ask and consistently, go to sit outs, they all play completely different strategies and they are quite specific and they are obviously different people, make pauses for sleep this is all very noticeable if you constantly play with them and watch), you just do not understand that you can play for 20 hours for a few days for $ 3000-5000, it reminds me of the times of the Inquisition and accusations of witchcraft, honest hard workers like me with low limits are ready to die for this money at the table, you just have to understand that this is an unrealistic motivation and when you go to sleep, if the opponent is playing, you will lose from $ 1000 to $ 2000, and so much effort has already been spent. Remember how many people play offline poker without sleep? constant stories for 2-3 days - easy and so on Also, in my opinion, with all the tools available to the security service, you can easily determine whether one person is playing or not, just compare the stats and strategy of the game conditionally every 5000 hands and it turns out that aggression and all sorts of specific parameters will be the same, and given that the game is played from one computer and often without interruption big session, there can be no doubt. Once again, if someone doubts that this is possible by one person - I am ready to make a public stream of such a game and if I am acquitted and paid what I deserve, then everyone will benefit from this-justice will be restored, no one will doubt that this is a cheater or softplay and the network will show that it is ready to publicly admit their mistakes and correct the situation. I published a real screenshot of my game by minutes - I am willing to repeat this an infinite number of times, for money prizes (2000 week + 3000 win iron man) I would getrepeat this several times on camera and dispel all the myths that it is quite easy for a person to do this if they want to, especially if they already have a successful experience . I hope for the support of the community and justice and now the stage of struggle, when real bots are not banned and the network protects them and ignores any complaints, I wrote to the support service in 2017 for bots nickname now active (I published a list of them in the post). If she also bans the bot network , it will be fine, but I do not hope for this, I am a realist -I can see how they've been doing things over the years in relation to this network. I have a couple of very interesting observations on bots that I don't want to write publicly so that the owners of such networks can see them, but an inner voice tells me that this is impossible to implement without additional intervention until I see the real struggle of the network with bots, I don't even want to share additional knowledge. Most of all, I hate this hypocrisy, that I was banned and you can trace how it happened from the first complaints, to the reaction of Mike and the fact that I just turned out to be a sacred victim. But at the same time about bots here spam and everyone knows who the bot is-NOTHING HAPPENS. Do you understand the extent of the network's hypocrisy?
I remember playing with you in the boost pool. I'm sorry this happened to you teote. As far as I can recall, not a single account I suspect of botting has gone into the zoom pool even once. It is because of this that I wish chico would just eliminate all reg tables and just run zoom. or have some kind of promo to encourage zoom because past 10z there is nothing running. It's all reg tables with bots.

FWIW I have seen otb in the boost pool. I don't think he's a bot but it is possible there's account sharing. But he could just be some guy from a poor country who grinds 24/7 for a living. idk.

Thx4YourChips & onpokaa have wildly different stats from the accounts I think are bots. These accounts are real people and I can say that with high confidence.

A couple of accounts I reported a couple days ago have not been seen at the tables yet. Hoping this means good news. Good luck with your issue teote.
02-05-2020 , 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by MCAChiTown

I'm all for calling out the cheating that we have evidence for, but let's not start throwing out accusations without something to back it up.
Abslolutely agree. The colluding in sit n go is now practically absent. Their ingenious sequrity service for 2 years has learned to identify a person playing with six virtual machines, lol
02-05-2020 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ejames209
I remember playing with you in the boost pool. I'm sorry this happened to you teote. As far as I can recall, not a single account I suspect of botting has gone into the zoom pool even once. It is because of this that I wish chico would just eliminate all reg tables and just run zoom. or have some kind of promo to encourage zoom because past 10z there is nothing running. It's all reg tables with bots.

FWIW I have seen otb in the boost pool. I don't think he's a bot but it is possible there's account sharing. But he could just be some guy from a poor country who grinds 24/7 for a living. idk.

Thx4YourChips & onpokaa have wildly different stats from the accounts I think are bots. These accounts are real people and I can say that with high confidence.

A couple of accounts I reported a couple days ago have not been seen at the tables yet. Hoping this means good news. Good luck with your issue teote.
Thank you for support. Yes, you are absolutely right, and I also see this, that not one bot does not play fast tables, but most likely they will not have a problem running them there, if they do not have the opportunity to play on regular tables.
About otb_batmanbatya , I am absolutely sure that this is not a bot and not sharing accounts, because he's the one who always talked to me, and always our conversations were consistent, I personally have no doubt that this is a hard worker, no impossible time play by the number of games I have not seen from him, Plus, he constantly jumps on the tables and looks for a better table and is very concerned about playing with weak players, before promoaction, he never played with regs and bots. I was more suspicious thx4yourcheaps, and he almost always silent, but his style of play is too stupid to bot or play together + I saw the way he spoke Russian, as well as the fact he one Wednesday I gave up the battle and left for the day, leaves no doubt, that this is all the usual money hungry like me, hard workers, but who have holes in their strategies and capabilities of the body
02-06-2020 , 04:39 PM
Are you saying you've seen THX4YourChips speak Russian at the tables? That would be kind of odd since his account is registered from the USA.
02-06-2020 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MCAChiTown
Are you saying you've seen THX4YourChips speak Russian at the tables? That would be kind of odd since his account is registered from the USA.
Of course, I am very afraid to make a mistake and give false information, given your words (and how do you know this I do not quite understand?) But I am 99% sure, because it was once when he spoke in a chat in front of me and since it was my main rival, I remember it well. Taking into account that I remember who I spoke (youngSwag) to then and that it was in early January and the table composition was unique from 3 nicknames nl25 table 5/7 jan and that I now found a couple of these tables in the database, I have no doubts. But at the same time, it can be a Russian living in America or a Ukrainian? and I don't see much of a problem with that
02-06-2020 , 06:16 PM
While it's possible that they are a Russian or Ukrainian living in American or an American who has learned the language, my main concern would be somebody who has used false information to obtain an account. Why they would need a fake account on a network which allows players to play from those locations? I just don't know. I don't know if there's anything nefarious going on. I don't have any reason to think you're not telling the truth about what you read from them in the chat. I can't think of a reason you would make that up. I just found that information interesting.

Last edited by MCAChiTown; 02-06-2020 at 06:27 PM.
02-06-2020 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by MCAChiTown
While it's possible that they are a Russian or Ukrainian living in American or an American who has learned the language, my main concern would be somebody who has used false information to obtain an account. Why they would need a fake account on a network which allows players to play from those locations? I just don't know. I don't know if there's anything nefarious going on. I don't have any reason to think you're not telling the truth about what you read from them in the chat. I can't think of a reason you would make that up. I just found that information interesting.
I still do not understand how you know that this account is registered USA? In my opinion, this is an interesting point, but there is nothing unusual about it, but my story should really scare all honest players and what can happen in this network and most importantly-that we do not have any levers and rights, if an employee decides to ban you he'll do it in a day, he will do it and he does not care about your money and losses, he can give you 20 captchas during the game and he will not care about losing money during this period until you enter them, and as I read from these branches, this command is 10 times stronger than the previous one, I believe that this should be the first thing to care about, and a rational explanation of the account's language of communication in Russian registered in America, this is rubbish against the background of such things and a year ago something similar was and massively banned players with confiscation of money, after which the policy was changed and had to attract a qualified team, but in fact bots continue to pump money, and honest players suffer who are deprived of everything in one day
02-06-2020 , 06:59 PM
can anyone please help on getting HEM2 to work on this network?
02-06-2020 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Crocken
I still do not understand how you know that this account is registered USA? In my opinion, this is an interesting point, but there is nothing unusual about it, but my story should really scare all honest players and what can happen in this network and most importantly-that we do not have any levers and rights, if an employee decides to ban you he'll do it in a day, he will do it and he does not care about your money and losses, he can give you 20 captchas during the game and he will not care about losing money during this period until you enter them, and as I read from these branches, this command is 10 times stronger than the previous one, I believe that this should be the first thing to care about, and a rational explanation of the account's language of communication in Russian registered in America, this is rubbish against the background of such things and a year ago something similar was and massively banned players with confiscation of money, after which the policy was changed and had to attract a qualified team, but in fact bots continue to pump money, and honest players suffer who are deprived of everything in one day
There is 3rd party software which allows you to see the registration location of accounts.

I've posted a lot of negative feedback about the Chico Network on this forum over the years and nothing bad has ever happened to my account. I wouldn't worry anything bad happening for most players.

You had exhibited suspicious play patterns which definitely should have been investigated. I do think you should be allowed to prove your innocence by reenacting your uncommon ability to play for 20+ hours on consecutive days with live recorded video on a streaming site.

The situation where several Russian/Eastern Euro accounts were suspended occurred because the accounts were all using a VPN program that tied each of the accounts to a similar location. It is my understanding that at least one of the accounts related to the location was found guilty of improper play and they all had to be investigated because of it. It is also my understanding that most of those accounts were eventually restored. I know I've seen several of them back at the tables. It is my personal opinion that VPN use such not be allowed to access poker sites.
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I agree with you that there remains a bot issue that needs to be properly dealt with.

Last edited by MCAChiTown; 02-06-2020 at 07:14 PM.
02-06-2020 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by SickSmile
can anyone please help on getting HEM2 to work on this network?
You need a card catcher. You can find one either by looking in the Commercial Software forum here or by Googling for other options.
02-06-2020 , 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MCAChiTown
There is 3rd party software which allows you to see the registration location of accounts.

I've posted a lot of negative feedback about the Chico Network on this forum over the years and nothing bad has ever happened to my account. I wouldn't worry anything bad happening for most players.

You had exhibited suspicious play patterns which definitely should have been investigated. I do think you should be allowed to prove your innocence by reenacting your uncommon ability to play for 20+ hours on consecutive days with live recorded video on a streaming site.

The situation where several Russian/Eastern Euro accounts were suspended occurred because the accounts were all using a VPN program that tied each of the accounts to a similar location. It is my understanding that at least one of the accounts related to the location was found guilty of improper play and they all had to be investigated because of it. It is also my understanding that most of those accounts were eventually restored. I know I've seen several of them back at the tables. It is my personal opinion that VPN use such not be allowed to access poker sites.
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I agree with you that there remains a bot issue that needs to be properly dealt with.
It's a pity I don't know the language and can't Express all my thoughts correctly, I hope it's clear what I'm writing
I also thought that taking into account the bots with which nothing happens - nothing bad will ever happen to me and I was happy with all the 5 years that I play here , but everything changed. At the same time, I had 3 situations that, if I write about them, will simply shock about how this site works ( for example, how do you like it - I bet on the winner of the final series of MLB !!!!! such a huge market for 1000$ 2 years ago and after a couple of weeks when the series ended I got a refund on my bet, all time send month and a half I wrote to support and I replied that everything is fine and right and there is no error, only when the Manager of Russia have joined this problem I have added money win, and 3 days after this mail came that after a thorough investigation - your bet is returned correctly !!!! and no further requests will not be considered, then I realized that if there are any disputes, you will have hell to get their way).

Does it bother you that the date of my ban coincides with the address on the forum and that during the day I was frozen during the active phase of the campaign and removed from the leaderboard? I don't think that at the moment the reason for my ban and the accusation is that I gave it to someone. Let me be suspicious and I need to be checked, I'm ready for any checks, but this moment does not bother you-the speed (26 hours frozen-delete the leaderboard) of making a decision and the investigation has not yet begun according to them when I called?

About stories with bans - I can assure you, it's all formal reasons,as I recall all get banned because you used a hand Converter, which was used all the time, and prohibited software, but what of course no one spoke, but there was a feeling that it was used by ALL who played there, judging by the number of bans Russian players You probably forgot as been canceled for weeks withdrawal and wrote the reason every time is absurd and funny ? Remember the rule that we will double the withdrawal if we don't withdraw it in 24 hours? and how did they come up with reasons for canceling payments because of this ? because there was no money for payment for some reason, and I remember it all perfectly well. And when there was a story about this confiscation of funds in the Russian community there was interesting information that I do not want to scare here, but in fact we are not protected in any way. And the value of this network in my opinion is that it always seemed to fulfill its obligations in the end, but at the same time there could be a lot of problems and moral stress before this and it is very difficult to solve ANY PROBLEMS. Roughly speaking, if this network wants to accuse you of something and accuses you, it is very difficult to prove your truth, and there have been many cases of false accusations in history, and in parallel, bots play all this time with impunity
02-06-2020 , 09:17 PM
I certainly agree with your frustration about the bot situation.

The poor communication about which prohibited software was flagging accounts which were then being suspended was also an issue heavily discussed here. They've been rightfully criticized for their poor communication dealing with several different topics.

The fact that your account was suspended after your suspicious play patterns were brought to everyone's attention does not bother me. If you're not given the chance to prove your innocence then that would bother me.

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Originally Posted by MCAChiTown
It is my personal opinion that VPN users should not be allowed to access poker sites.
FMP

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