+1 for more time bank

Changes made:

1. discontinue vip points (rakeback) without warning stealing thousands from your customers

2. structures for tournaments got much much worse (less and faster levels, shallower stacks, huge increase to late reg time). Thus, decreasing skill edge and increasing rake.

3. started banning bots and refunding players money that was stolen from them. I'm just kidding about this one, you guys didnt do **** about the bots.



Good job man, you guys went from the best us site to literally the worst in 6 months. Keep working hard and making us proud.

lol +1

There are literally zero trolls in this thread. Every person who has posted has either given exceptionally grounded criticism or asked a question you have ignored. Calling customers who pay thousands to you in rake every month "trolls" shows a lot about how we should also view you.

Players had money stolen away from them by BOL. If there are any trolls in this thread, that tops them all.

If you wanted to do away with VIP points, then that's your decision. The correct way to do that is to honor any points earned up until the announcement at their old rate and then tell the players that any points earned after the announcement are worthless. The way you (BOL) went about it is flat out stealing from the players.

Also on 8/9/19, you said "plans are in motion" for the new points program. In your defense, I guess slow motion is a type of motion.

If you're looking at this with any objectivity at all, can you honestly blame the players for being frustrated and venting?

Nah, he won't ever get fired. He's actually doing an exceptional job performance if the job requirement is to post platitudes every 3 or 4 pages so that new readers who are too lazy to read the entire thread can get that nice little shot of "Oh hey this site rep seems like a swell guy I trust him to eventually make things better" feeling.

any chance you guys can add 9 handed Limit Omaha HI Lo? I see you have 6 max now, i'd love to get some kind of 2-4 limit O8 9max table going

Whilst that sounds great to me lol I very much doubt this will be happening any time soon. We have many things that are in the works for 2020

Kind Regards

Mike

So...... are the bots gone? looking at micro stake PLO and the usual suspects haven't been here for days now.

I received an email saying the security team did a full investigation of bloodywolf, but they couldn’t share the results of the investigation. Has anyone seen him online?

Obv he wouldn’t keep much in his account but it would be a huge step in the right direction if they refunded at least what they could to the players he stole from. I ran really hot versus him but I know a few different regs down tens of thousands to him

Having things in the works and actually implementing changes are two different things. Theoretically you could always have things in the works but until we see them in action your statements don’t hold much water anymore

He's playing right now as I am typing this...
What a ****ing joke
Also I did not recieve an email

not that I was a big player, but after hearing this I think I'm done with this room... they had the evidence, and decided to do nothing about the guy... pretty disheartening

I understand cleaning up the botting at the lower stakes since the bots can prey on recreational players. But if bloodywolf is beating up on the high stakes regs by playing a GTO based strategy so much that he's being singled out (a strategy so good that he is accused of being software assisted), wouldn't you develop an exploitative counter? We're talking about one account right? or am i missing something and there are multiple 'bloodywolf-type' accounts?

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Stealing VIP point is not okay.

@betonlinemike name me only one bot you have banned in the last 3 month.

DONT INGNORE MY POST PLZ I have to say it tilt me a lot that you ignore post who bring real issue with the network.

Moss, my dear friend, the whole purpose of trying to play a GTO style is so that you can't be exploited. There is no exploitative counter to a true GTO strategy. The truth of the matter is that nobody actually plays 100% true GTO, but even 99.5% is close enough so that you won't be able to be exploited by another human without live advice.

that gets to my point really...there are many different strategies that are used but a large variable is the strategy your opponent is playing. Where are the arguments on using an advanced HUD? Or real time access to let's say a database of hundreds of preflop charts to help your decision? I'm not trying to be combative btw to anybody, just like to know others thoughts.

I am fully behind the banning of automated software that allows a person not to actually play themselves. I think the other "assisted" software is such a grey zone.

It's been about a month since I've logged into BOL. Checked in on the 25NL tables today and saw 2-4 of the same old bots on every table.

LOL. Perfect gif use.

Some people are for HUDs, some people are against them. I tend to think they're necessary to use in today's games to get to the highest levels. I wouldn't trust any room that bans their use to actually prevent every player from using them. I think the likelihood that there are still players at Global Poker using them is very high despite them being prohibited there.

Even the most advanced HUDs don't tell you the exact play to make and the bet size to use. You still have to become proficient in interpreting the data correctly, which is a skill in itself.

I would be willing to play on a site that prohibits HUD use if it was very soft, but I'd definitely be hesitant to play on any site that doesn't, at the very least, offer hand histories, and preferably with your opponents' names identified in those hand histories.

I don't know if there's any way to stop people with a database of preflop charts from looking at them while they're at the tables if they're doing it manually. If they're using a program to advise them and automatically pull up the charts then I would have a problem with that. That's halfway to being a live solver program.

I tend not to worry about those things. I worry more about the future of bots and live solvers. The future advancements of those two things have the potential to kill poker at every level if not dealt with properly, especially the more easily solvable variants. HU Limit Holdem is solved. HU short-stack NLHE poker is essentially solved. Fixed stack optimal SNG strategy is essentially solved. Hypers and jackpot poker are already overran with live advisors at the higher levels on most sites. Most variants of poker have some form of botting issues on lots of sites, some variants and some sites have way more issues than others.

The only advice I can really give is to give the sites and platforms which do the best job at deterring and removing undesirable software users your action.

I'd love to say this network does a good job in that area, but the truth of the matter is that if I was grading them that they wouldn't receive a passing grade. That's not to say I haven't seen them improve the situation in the past, but they do a poor job at identifying and removing the bots on their own, and even when I do my best to help them not every bot is removed, for whatever reason.

I had hoped that the issue would improve a lot with the presence of this new forum, but it really is the same old song and dance as it was before.

Let's be honest. They are house bots. Bet Online gets to steal player money and also help fill up tables and receive more rake. It is literally the only explanation why some bots continue to play even though they are the exact same strain as other bots in the same reports we send in.

As I said before out of the 15 bots I had on my list just from 25NL 6 max - and out of the 5 I actually sent in as a report - all 5 were exactly the same strain, and I publically proved it in the forums. Only 1 or 2 out of those 5 were "banned" - but we don't even know that - certainly the other 3 are still in action - sudden, litvla and spirit lancer.

For anyone wondering why i still post here - It's a hobby of mine now to shame Mike and Bet Online and inform any first time readers of the situation.

Mike, are there any plans to offer any rewards to PLO cash players? It's already well established that PLO players pay more in rake per hand than equivalent NLHE levels, but Chico currently offers them very little in the way of rewards.

NLHE players have won the top 5 places in the cash rake race almost every week for 2 months, so that offers very little to PLO and now you add a weekly high hand leaderboard that is only available to NLHE players, nothing for PLO players. In addition,you already took away our VIP points so there is almost nothing left for some of the top raking players on your site.

So it looks like the cash rake race is now gone.

They're replaced by a weekly high hand leaderboard for NLHE only and a monthly iron man.

Both will be won by a microgrinder who found a loophole where he can play 8 .05/.10 tables and 2 micro fast fold tables at the same time. After this week there will probably be copycats who just go to microstakes mindlessly churn out hands. Just checked and all the players in top 5 of both promos are .05/.10 players.

So teo and a few other microgrinders will be getting 100-700% rakeback this month and everyone else on the site basically nothing. Sweet promos.

Careful you might be labeled a troll.

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