Any chance you’ll list the names of these? Or share via pm??

I've played with those players and there is something definitely sketchy about them. Either they are bots or are using assistance.
I can't believe they are continually let to play.

Ignition seems to have unbelievable suckouts at a pace hard to understand.

PM sent. Happy to share with anyone else.

What does that have to do with this network and its cash games?

25NL today. 2-4 bots on every table.

why exactly did you hid their nicknames?

Mike,WTF ? where have u disappeared ? When things will get better ?

Because I dont have "proof" that these accounts are bots. If you'd like my list of suspected bots I can pm them to you.

Hi guys,

Yes please send me all the data and info you have privately.
I am speaking to the head of security tomorrow, so will hopefully be able to give you some information afterwards.

All of the stats, screen shots and messages that you send me regarding this, has all been forwarded to the correct department.


Kind Regards

Mike

I was in direct contact with Mike, provided him a very small but incredibly detailed sample of whiffle ball level bot detection as a test to see if I would care to invest more time with him and his team and he struck out multiple times.

I'll still stay in touch on this thread every couple of weeks but won't be nearly involved as I was before. It is clear that no matter how much overwhelming evidence you provide, Mike and his team either are too inept to do anything about it or they are blowing us smoke.

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I am pretty sure that this guy's "investigation" that was sent to u is very detailed and u sould pay attention on that.In this case he is more involved than u and all your "fantastic 4" team.Your first post in here was written on March 2019 and now-after 6 months you are asking for some new information and evidences.As I remember u told that you were playinh cash at well in u made it nl10-nl200.So u should understand this issue and almost on every page of this theme u will find nicknames of bots.But u pretend like u have not received no information,no evidences,no nothing.

What have u been paid for ? half of year has passed with u in here and still no changes.

P.S stop pretending dumb and reply to this post
P.S.S dont say that I am rude and not polite
P.S.S.S This attitude u a have deserved

I think the botting situation has been much better the last few months. I play primarily 25-50nl with some 100nl NLHE and many of the accounts i suspected of being bots seem to have been drastically reduced. I think they are doing a better job now. I believe you can accurately use statistics to narrow in on bot accounts but the statistics have to be sound over large sample sizes. Not like 4-5k hands (similar to a few of the recent posts accusing different users).

on a side note I do find it rather humorous that many of the same people that cry about bots complain about not being able to use certain solver software because BOL is trying to be preemptive on the next generation of botting.

It's usually a mistake to assume malevolence over incompetence.

My best guess as to why things don't improve is that those who run the site probably have some semblance of an idea as to why bots aren't good in the long run, but don't have a strong enough grasp on how the economy works to realize how big of a detriment they really are.

They probably think something along the lines of, "oh, well we're making some extra money with these bots who always keep games running and they don't win a ton, who cares if some players are complaining about it, all they can really do is complain, or quit, but the bots are more valuable, they never complain, and they'll never quit."

That line of thinking is fine for now. It's not a fast death to Chico that the bots will bring about, it will be slow and drawn out.

Some users have pointed out to me at the tables when I'm playing a bot heads up, but I just keep playing because I know it's making mistakes I will capitalize on and I will profit ... So why should I care about the bots?

The money always trickles from the bottom up. A player goes on a heater at lower stakes, he has a bigger bankroll, he moves up and starts playing higher, then generally loses a good portion of this to the better players at higher stakes.

When you have bot infested games, average players aren't able to beat them and the bots siphon the money out of the games. Those average players end up going broke and quitting. The bots don't move up and continue siphoning from the low stakes games. (This is why you'll see on average, plenty of 5/10plo running and plenty of .5/1 and 1/2plo, but 2/5 games are fairly rare.)

Eventually, you have no more winning players at low stakes, only bots and recreational players. And because no money is trickling up to the high stakes, only the best regs and the rich recreational players are able to survive. There ends up being too few marginal winners, and the biggest sharks end up eating the smaller ones. Now all you have left are the biggest winners at high stakes, recreational players, and bots.

No poker game or economy can survive without new money constantly coming in from recreational players. If everyone is a professional (or a bot), they don't have alternative income sources to pull from, they just go broke then can't come back.

Then it's only a matter of time for the recreational players to get annoyed about always having to play a game against a computer and rarely playing against real people, then they stop depositing. Now most of the recreational players have left so there's no reason for the top regs to be there. Now all you have is a site full of bots.

At this point it becomes a competition between which bots have the best strategy. They will play each other until they realize their bot can't win anymore, or until they've completely dried up the games and there is no one with any money left to play.

Do you think these bots are going to keep depositing after going broke? Where is this money coming from? These people are thieves, stealing from the game, as soon as there is no more money for them to win, they will quit as well, then you have a poker site with no players.

Winning players tend to get demonized because the sites assume "they take too much money from the game, they are hurting our long term profitability." The issue is, these players actually interact with the recreational players, and they don't play a boring static strategy. They also tilt, and their level of skill fluctuates as they gain and lose confidence.

Lastly, these players (even the best regs on the site) will never be as good as these bots eventually will become.

I don't know why the bots aren't beating higher stakes at the moment, I feel pretty confident Snowie would crush 5/10nl. We've already seen bots crush the best high stakes HU players in the world. You have to assume it's only a matter of time before these bots improve their strategies. Once that happens, you have a much bigger problem on your hands because it will win the money even faster than the top regs already do.

Anybody consider maybe that's what's going on? Is it possible Chico allows the marginally winning or breakeven bots to play but bans the strongest?

Poker_Noob, would be interested to see if you could go through your list and look at all bots current and past, how much each won, and which are still around and which have been removed? If we find that those who have won larger amounts have been banned while those remaining are more marginal winners or breakeven, this would be an explanation for why certain bots never get removed from the player pool.

I agree that it improved some, but there's still plenty of improvement needed in that area.

The more hands the better, for sure. On the other hand, I really don't even need that many any more after playing and identifying these things for the last few years. I've actually made what I believe is a very solid guide to identifying them. I might post it publicly at some point, but in the meantime if you'd like the guide or my active bot list for NLHE cash games then you or anybody else can send me a private message asking for it.

If you're unsure, but suspicious that an account might be botting then you can also send me a private message and I can look into it and give you my thoughts.

I don't know if it's the same people, but I haven't really kept track.

I don't mind them not allowing solver programs to be open while their client is open. I believe some other networks have similar restrictions.

The issue seems to be with the people who are claiming they're being told that the closed program is being flagged. I think it's most likely that those people are just not making sure that all of the processes related to their solver program are ended prior to opening or closing the client, but I can't say that for certain. Some people have claimed they were certain it was closed which makes having both programs on your playing computer a risk you might not want to take.


I thought you made some good points above and I agree with most of it. I'm not sure about the last part in the quote above. I've seen some solid winners, for the stakes they play, stick around and feast on the player pool for extended periods of time. I think dOOble was tracked for over half a million hands and took nearly 30k out of 100NL-200NL. The removal of them seems very inconsistent. Over time they all eventually disappear. Some of them get to stick around longer than others for whatever reason.

I can definitively say I already checked the theory of winning vs losing bots and after just 10 minutes of comparing known bot winrates to the ban lists, this theory does not hold true. It's extremely random and there is no logical pattern for which bots are banned and which are not. Which is a huge bullet point in favor of Chico using house bots.

Sudden is a losing winrate bot but out of the others that were not banned from my report, the other ones are winning. Also let's not forget d00ble who had something like 3.2bb over 600k hands and took over 30k from the site. But even if Sudden is losing overall, its winrate vs rec players will be at least 8-10bb. Most of the losing winrate comes from competing against other bots and regs who have learned to exploit them.

I'm not interested at all to provide further details or proof. Once I check statname site and see that Sudden, spiritlancer and litvla haven't been active for at least 3 months, with more than just ONE forum member praising the positive developments, I might consider depositing again.

Also for anyone questioning my sample sizes in the report...or trying to find other "loopholes" to justify Mike 'n Team's lack of congruency in who they choose to ban...I hope everyone can agree 80,000 hands is better than 4,000.

Ahh, glad I popped back in after I stopped playing back in August. No, the money is not reimbursed when bots are banned (if they even get banned). Mike will continue to use his ethos of "I was a former poker player, I know what you're feeling, I'm doing the best I can", while AFon9 will continue to clean up PLO100 and the site will do nothing about.

I wouldn't waste your time.

The 5/10 tables today were terrible in the sense that a lot of regs were camping like crazy, those people really need to be punished, otherwise the chico lobby is going to look like the iPoker lobby soon (with 7 full tables of regs all sitting out and 6 tables of 5 regs sitting out)
I'll just let the pictures tell the story:


As you can see the worst offenders were:
norman.the.gambler
marinos
p1ague
and especially: MurasOn27

Here is a seperate collection just dedicated to him:



Please BetOnlineMike do something, if regs see that the campers stay unpunished (as MurasOn27 has been for the past) only more will do it, making the lobby a horribly hostile looking place for recs and kill all incentive for regs to battle so that they can hold the tables.
I also gotta defend TellmeWhy and YoungCoconut who are sitting out in one or two tables in the pics, they always obey the rules and were probably just overwhelmed my the amount of tables spawning.

Gross. What scum. N00b does it a lot too.

Mike please do forward this to someone who will do something about this, nobody will come sit at tables like this. It is killing the games

Odd, camping is very rare at the PLO tables on iPoker and BOL

Guess we're just a classier bunch

Since p0ker_n00b posts a lot in this forum I think it's best to clarify that you're talking about N00bokReme, correct?

He said N00b, not n00b

Yeah, I know he wasn't talking about you. I just wanted to clarify for the sake of anybody else who might confuse who he was referring to because of shortening the name.

Yeah sorry, was talking about N00bokRemw def NOT poker NOOb

In addition to the NINzent's post, I will add some more nicknames:
huang33
K.Lagerfld
maybelomo
qlcGnXxfsvcJ
lesswrong
Tigermindset
InevitableFall
MasterOfP
Rightplay

That players constantly breaking the rules by camping or totally blocking the tables and doing that for a long time already.They don't respond to any appeal. That is absolutely not okay and I hope you, Mike, will talk with Chico's representatives to do something with it.

Here are the proofs


And few more:

lmao MurasOn27 even camping on every 2nd pic of yours