That happened a few weeks ago too. Afon, who'd been active for years, tagged out and dolbog, who hadn't been active in a while, showed up the exact same day and has been active ever since.

These guys have a whole slew of accounts they can switch in and out at will. Even if BOL happened to ban a few bots, they'd just switch to their other accounts and it would be another 2 years for those accounts to finally be banned.

It's the new reality, so we'll either have to look at other options or get good at beating the bots (which is possible).

2 bots at all 10NL tables. They must have been on vacation for a few days. I had hope.

If you're not gonna do anything about the bots, then a decent change would be to adjust the buyins on the run-it-twice tables as well as adding some to PLO 200 (they are at PLO 50, 100, and 500, but skip 200).

Only about a quarter of the bots will even attempt to play run-it-twice b/c I think some of their illegal software has issues with it. So it's a decent option for players wishing to play at 6-max tables with fewer than 3 bots. The problem is, that the buyins are 100BB-150 and a full 100 BB stack drives away a lot of the casual players who would otherwise play.

So make the buy-in options the exact same as your regular tables and add run-it-twice at PLO 200. Should go a long way towards having more games running with fewer bots and hopefully the regs would put more effort into getting these games going. Additional bonus is that they play way looser on average than the normal tables, so even more rake to BOL.

200BB buyin tables were available last year and i enjoyed them quite a bit. any chance we can give those a try again?

Hey BetonlineMike, any news about the VIP points? It can not take 2 months to implement a rule that allows players exchange the points for cash or tourney tickets...Please give us an update on this. Thank you

I've touted this site heavily in the past but it's starting to get old. Bots galore and the 10nlz pool is just a total joke. All regs sitting and camping the BBJ. They literally just sit there all day and night, playing unbelievably nitty, waiting on the BBJ.

edit: And there it is. *Every* time I finish a session, the BBJ pops and I miss it. Once again, guys who sit there playing 7/3/2 for 18 hours a day won it. That's poker?

Oh you'd be surprised!

It's been around 3 months since points were taken away.

Look - I'm playing more in this 10nlz pool and it's obvious that it's just not legit. The stats on guys, the way they play, the communication every now and then that makes the collusion obvious. Guys 3betting with A7o and hitting the nuts vs AA hands, guys cold calling with 79s and flopping monsters multiway - the same players over and over with 14/13/6 stats. The same players repeatedly hit the BBJ against each other with both of them winning several stacks worth of money.

Come on now, guys. It's obvious.

From now on I'm just video recording the pool and making a channel about it.

The same 12/9/7 that plays at least 10,000 hands a day in the zoom pool just won the BBJ for the 3rd time this week. Already. He must have racked up $500 in BBJ prizes.

was about to take my 10NL/25NL play here from ACR... but if the collusion/bots(?) are as bad as it seems... maybe I won't?

Don't not play here because of something I say lol. I was just venting although yes - there are things that seem suspicious at times but that's the case with all US facing sites today.

Let me add: I've said this before but after today, I have to mention it again - This is the fastest payout in the biz. I had a btc withdrawal today reach my blockchain within 3 hours of requesting it. So, between the best promos, the software which is pretty good, and the best cashier US players have access to - Definitely don't not play on here when we have so few options to begin with. Just observe shady things and note them as we all do.

I've played here in the past... taken a break, and am playing again, just wasn't sure what's been going on with the room lately. I appreciate the insight man, and you are right, we have very few options!

I'll just add that collusion in a zoom / fast fold pool is pretty much impossible. Not only would the collusion have to be attempted, it would have to be successful for your winrate to suffer. The chances of this are VERY rare.

If it's not successful then there is no reason to complain, really.

Nobody would get outraged if someone attempted a bank robbery a thousand times and failed every time.

I don't know - It seems to me that the guys with multiple entries in the pool are going to wind up in the same hand constantly. These guys play 12+ hours a day, easily. If they are using a 3rd party app or even a cell phone to communicate between each other, I don't see how it's much different than any other kind of collusion.

Whether successful or not, it's definitely going on to at least some extent. I see these convos pop up in the chat box that are clearly the continuation of a conversation that existed elsewhere. It's like they forget to not communicate in the box openly now and then.

There's always the chance that they'll end up in the same hand at two different tables, then one of them gets the tables mixed up and ends up porking them both. I mean we can hope, right?

I'm sitting at 4 tables of PLO .50/1 6-max:

2 of them are 5 bots and me.
1 of them is 2 bots, 3 others, and me.
1 of them (straddle table) is 0 bots, 3 others, and me.

Pretty sure they've completely stopped trying. Gotta get that bot money I guess.

Like I said earlier, the straddle tables might be a decent option for players wishing to play bot-free games, but Mike completely ignored the suggestion. Busy with the 3+ month and counting process to decide what to do with VIP points.

Update: I quit the 2 5 bot tables and a 6th bot briefly sat down. Wow, 2 tables that are full and 100% bots.

Another player I know thinks they are connected. That they do certain things differently when there are more than 1 of them at the table and also the new bots share the same player profiles that other bots have already determined. So a new bot can just sit down and immediately have the same information that all other bots have processed already and they share hole cards, etc. This however is hard to prove but it wouldn't surprise me.

Mike -

Is there any work being done trying to eliminate scripters, or at least make it so that every table (and waitlist) doesn’t insta-fill? It seems like a very solveable problem, as all you have to do is start a table and watch the offenders instantly fill it when a rec sits.

White Widow does this.

But what happens is regs will open tables that have me sitting there alone, then IMMEDIATELY when a rec sits down they SNAP seat themselves in the most perfect position to take MAX EV from them. It's tilt inducing because I'm the one that opened the table and waited, and they poach EVERY TABLE for HOURS. So if there is anything that could be done to stop this...

I don't even think it's scripts I think they are manually poaching and snap seating themselves in the best seat possible within 1 second of the rec sitting down.

It's such a slimy act because they did nothing to start anything, they just bait me every day.

But in the end, it's still +EV for me to start tables...just hope this problem can be fixed...and I'd rather not video record every session every day...but there are 6 or so regs that do this religiously...and they never start tables themselves...they just poach...

I'm also curious...are scripts even possible when the lobbies are hidden?

Yes. Seating scripts are very commonly being used at 500NL+. I'd say at least 1/4 of the regs at those stakes are using one. I've even seen them used as low as 100NL.

At one point is was stated in emails that they sent out that seating scripts were prohibited, but they've done as bad of a job enforcing that rule as they have with their bot deterrence, if not worse.

The lobbies being hidden doesn't deter seat scripting. They just keep all of the tables open at their desired stake.

Well that explains why White Widow and others have seemingly been auto seating within 1 sec of a rec sitting down after I'm the only one at the table for 5 to 10 minutes sometimes. Apparently they just keep my table open after I sit and then poach recs that sit to join me without starting the table themselves.

Super slimy...

I'm actually pretty surprised you believe players at lower stakes are using them. The seating script programs I'm aware of for commercial sale are among the most costly monthly subscriptions for any 3rd party software. I believe they run about $100+ a month which would be a significant expense to pay out of your bankroll for most lower stakes players. This is why seating scripts are more commonly seen at higher stakes. Perhaps there is a cheaper alternative that I'm unaware of.

Sent you a PM

but more to the point, if they aren't using a script and doing it manually it's still just as slimy. Because they aren't helping to start tables they are just poaching recs 1 to 3 seconds after they sit.

They aren't generating extra profit for the site but at the same time taking profit away.