just casual bot-fest evening at PLO 100-200 tables


*red label = bots

I guess hag94 and gdotto are the suckers

Tingrinya is still allowed to play?? HAHAHAHAHAHA. Bot has been playing for multiple years. Great job BOL.

Called out Nostardamus months ago ITT.

It is a fairly easy bot to exploit and it's losing in the 5/5 sample I have, but I expect it's performing much better at lower stakes.

Yeah, I've learned to exploit the bots too, I can make more money vs them than normal regs. BUT...the problem is they camp tables and play 2, 3 handed for hours and hours and have no problem doing this at multiple tables - and so they will rape and pillage all unsuspecting rec players before the table even fills up - which means these rec players lose their deposits much much faster this way, than if the table was 6 handed or the reg was forced to sit out due to over exposure on timing out, etc.

They are just really really bad for the ecosystem. Litvla was at the tables for like 6 hours at least, during late night hours, playing the short handed tables - when it left, it had $150 on 1, $150 on 2, $90 on a 3rd table - that's very common for the bots. Amass a 12 BI increase. This money won't go towards tournament fees, it won't go towards bad beat jackpot once they "move up" because they don't move up - they just forever grind 1 or 2 limits. And because they don't have bad sessions or tilt, they end up keeping more of that money than typical regs at those limits would keep. They certainly on avg have higher winrates than most regs.

I sent a big list to Mike with enough proof to put them away for life. Just crossing my fingers that he will do what he said he will do.

Yes I agree, they are terrible for the ecosystem and terrible for BOL in the long run.

No idea if it's just coincidence or not, but there is only 1 maybe 2 bots between all the 25NL and 50NL tables right now around midnight on a Saturday. And the tables are still thriving. 8 tables of 6max filled out on 50NL, and 6 tables of 6max filled out on 25NL.

Just goes to prove that if you ban the bots, it shouldn't affect traffic too much. And certainly in the long run, it will make it better.

sucks that these threads are turning into ACR-type forum but I don't fault the posters, just highlights online poker's problem right now. Hopefully BetOnline doesn't let up on trying to stop bots/solvers.

What's the story with 10nlz here and tons of guys playing 7/5/2? Everyone just sits on nuts/bbj now?

whenever i've played fast fold its extremely nitty, not just on BOL but other sites too. For me I stopped playing fast fold because it started affecting how I was playing on regular tables and not in a good way. but yes, i've seen that degree of nittyness alot on fast fold tables.

I'd much rather have a 7/5 than a 22/18

You can literally just min raise their BB when you are SB with 72o and print money until the end of time.

You can also steal BTN close to 100% as long as the SB isn't a huge station, even if the SB 3bets like 17%, it's still huge profit to min raise 72o from BTN lol

Because the 7/5 is never going to call that BTN min raise lol

No - there's legitimately something very bizarre about these games. Anyone reading the hand histories LOL's immediately at these stats and it's been like this for over six months here, at least. The whole table is 10/9/8 and 7/5/2, etc. It's 10nlz and the average pot stays at around .50cents consistently lol.

What's the story here?

Could be an issue with the way the program tracks the hands, Bet Online zoom might not match up well with the hand history output, and cause stat discrepancies. If you are literally saying every player at the table has those stats, and this happens regularly then that's the answer. If you search the names on someone elses database assuming they have a sample of non zoom hands I bet the stats will show a difference.

No - I mean, I've been playing a lot of hands in there. That's how guys play and the average pot is that small. It's just a very strange dynamic and there's tons of 17/17/0's and 12/12/2's playing both 10nl and 10nlz. Lots of volume, too.

What I want to understand is why BetOnline has a policy of not telling anyone if bots have been banned or not. Pokerstars notifies players when bots have been banned, so I don't really buy the reasoning that it's due to player privacy.

It has nothing to do with player privacy. Although it sounds like something a somewhat shady business would throw out as an excuse.

1.) If they ban the bot, they don't want to publicly announce it because they think it will make them look bad, like they just confessed to robbing you or something.

2.) If they do not ban the bot, it's very easy for them to just say "Our security team looked into the account and no determination was made."

3.) If they ban the bot, they should know it's a bot and therefore there is literally no "player privacy" involved. Because it's a bot...

Pokerstars is just ahead of the times and always has been. Their customer support is world class and it's not easy to find management or business leaders with that level of customer service.

I've come to the conclusion that BOL isnt going to do anything about the bots. Even though some bots are now inactive that doesnt necessarily mean they were banned. From my time playing at 10NL there is a ring of 5-6 bots. After awhile one bot will disappear but a new one takes it place. Maybe this has to do with how the programming works, I really dont know, but the bottom line is they're not going away.

For most players in the US there is no legally regulated way to play poker online. BOL along with most sites are operating outside the laws which protect citizens. I would compare this to the shady poker rooms of old when anything could happen and you should probably carry a gun.

Im not going to get worked up about the bots any longer. Its too tiring and mundane to keep complaining into a vaccuum. I just choose not to play when more than 1 bot is sitting. And I will only play if I can sit 1 or 2 seats to left of the bot so I can exploit their aggression. Needless to say I'm playing much less than I used to.

And as an aside, I don't think BOL is the only site with this issue. Bots are on all unregulated sites. It's part of the game for most Americans in online poker's current state. So as far as I'm concerned it's just something you have to accept. Either come packing some heat or stay home.

The message I sent was not too short, Mr. Forum

Hi Poker_noob,
The email was fantastic.
I passed all your information on, I just received an email from the head of the security team stating they were looking into everything you had sent and loved your proposal.
They are using it in conjunction with another extremely detailed report sent by another player.
Obviously mentioning the details would be a bad idea in public.

Kind Regards

Mike

Yep, that's exactly what they do, and trading rake for a bit 3-handed is probably profitable b/c when an unsuspecting player sits, 9 times out of 10 they won't even last 25 hands before losing a stack.

I agree that they're way easier to beat than regs. It's a shame that more regs don't take the time to study and exploit them. I think we could probably force them out. I'm willing to play HU or against 2 other bots, and do ok in those spots, but it's only worth it when I'm at only a couple other tables.



Yah, he's been around for years.

Afon has also been around for years and disappeared 2 weeks ago. Literally the same day, a bot that hasn't been around reappeared. So it's just like the owner switched out accounts.

Even if they do ban a bunch of the bots, they'll just create brand new accounts the next day. That's what happened the last time a wave of PLO bots were banned about 2 years ago.

Narrator: He didn't.

In any case, I'm not sure he has the power to do anything anyway. I think he said in the past that BetOnline can only deal with BOL players and I believe most bots are playing on TigerGaming.

I too think it’s beneficial to talk about how to exploit the bots, although I try to stay away from sharing TOO much on a public forum read by bot operators

They all have predictable aggression that they never deviate from, therefore in certain spots it’s easy to know when you can bluff and when you should fold

Albeit a small sample, I have had my suspicions of several players at microstakes PLO over the past couple of weeks. However, yesterday and today NONE of the "elite" level PLO10 and very few of the PLO25 grinders have been active at all. Maybe the BetOnline team has cleaned up a few of the games for now.

No known bots currently at 10NL 9max

I dont see any known bots this morning at 10NL 9max. Typically if bots were absent at any point, they would always be back within 12 hours. Seems promising.

If I act negatively when bots are rampant it's only fair to act positvely if action is taken against them.

new bot appeared at plo100 instead of old one