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View Poll Results: How many levels do you prefer in the BetOnline rebuy mtt?
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5 83.33%
Doesn't matter to me
1 16.67%

03-18-2020 , 12:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrank
Its getting important if u play a lot of tables, esp at bubble play.
Ahh my bad. I thought you were referring to the vip rankings ahaha. My bad dude
03-18-2020 , 03:52 AM
Hi guys! I have been playing poker professionally for 10 years, my BetOnline nickname is ebobo.

I suspect these accounts in collusion:

Thapan
ILIKEBOWL
Talisman
Sir DonkAlot
Oonram00n
Santisuk
BOONKOON
goawayb0i
M16nuke
PPNoodles
changy

Here are their sharkscope stats:

Accounts are listed from the newest to the oldest. Some of them were registered on the same day.

With great probability, all accounts come from the same country, and this is not the United States.

Average buy-ins, Early/Middle/Late outs, AFS, games per day, all of them have the same values.

Some accounts take long breaks and finish/start playing on the same day.





All these 11 accounts were playing last Saturday, March 8th, and everyone simultaneously missed the Sunday Main event on March 9th.


You can check it on Sharkscope.

I believe all accounts are managed by a team of 2-3 people, and they share their pocket cards. This gives them a huge advantage in the ICM stage and beyond.

They play only the most expensive tournaments with a small number of participants and Saturday-Sunday "majors".

They always jump-in during late registration with 25bbs or less, entering exactly 1:30 after the start of the tournament, with a small interval so that they are not immediately seated at the same table.

The best thing for them is when there are three of their accounts at the same table.

I have screen records of their registration process, and the final table when they outplay a fun player together.

I have 1500-2500 hands on them in the database, there are a lot of similar stats there, but the selection is small.

I suggest that all players who have suffered from the actions of this team make an alias from these accounts and send HandHistory to the mail bolcheaters@gmail.com . I think that on a sample of 10k hands for each, their strategy will be the same.

For analysis, I will create a separate database and after the investigation I commit to delete it.

I ask the BOL security department to block these accounts until the circumstances are clarified, in case of proof of their guilt, to keep all funds in their accounts and distribute between the affected players. They won about 500k$


At the moment, all accounts from the “bolcheaters” alias are open for search on Sharkscope.

If they get closed from monitoring after posting this, I propose that this be considered a confession.

I kindly ask everyone who regularly plays tournaments to leave a comment on what he thinks about this.
03-18-2020 , 03:56 AM
Hello,

Appreciate you guys adding higher stakes stuff but they need better structures so we can actually play poker. The $500 event today should not have the same structure as all the other tournaments that is just absurd. I get that fast tournaments are kind of your selling point but for the $109s+ you should consider making it 15-20 minute levels or something
03-18-2020 , 04:23 AM
hey ebobo,

This is very interesting stuff - I was chatting with you today in a tournament about this.

Bumping because while "guilty until proven innocent", some of these players' profits were very surprising to me despite their stats and general play. I will keep my eyes peeled when playing with these players - I don't have any aggregate stats, but I used to work in Game Integrity at a major poker company so I have a decent eye when looking out for these things.

If we can aggregate some stats, it would be very interesting to see all their confrontational hands in all-ins, BvB play, and suspicious raise/folds.
03-18-2020 , 04:37 AM
Checking out my PT4 right now but have had suspicions of most of these accounts as well. Just seemed weird to me that there's this small group of players absolutely annihilating the higher stakes stuff to the point where it wouldn't even be worth opening BOL anymore if these guys were that good.Now that i think about it they all happen to play exactly the same style and I can't recall a single of them ever typing in chat. And I always wondered how these guys had these insane graphs when they all were max late regging and buying in right at add on. They have been swarming in at add on period for as long as i can remember and not sure how I never thought too much of it since it's such a small site and that's pretty alarming. Not positive on the exact screen names but there is certainly something going on here and these are huge winners. Props to you m8
03-18-2020 , 05:29 AM
hey thanks bobo, I have a decent sample of these players as well. As Streh has said I found it weird how many people would jump in so late in reg. To the point where I questioned my strategy a lot. I also have almost all of these players labeled as weak based on observed play but struggled to see how they were crushing so hard (particularly Oonram00n and Sir DonkAlot. I found a tournament where me and these two accounts got 3 way and will review it now.
03-18-2020 , 05:33 AM
Also I have it noted for some time now that both Ooram00n and Sir DonkAlot have a ridiculously low fold to Cbet stat (32 and 27). A stat that is much lower than any winning player should be able to have but one that makes sense if you have access to multiple hole cards.
03-18-2020 , 05:52 AM
This is pretty alarming. This should be addressed immediately. Pretty wild a lot of those accounts were opened on the same day as each each other in sets of 2
03-18-2020 , 07:06 AM
Okay so I reviewed a tournament in which I ended up 3 handed with both Oonram00n and Sir donksalot. 103 hands were played in this FT that I was involved in. These two players were positioned right next to each other. There was exactly 1 3bet(non BvB 1 BvB 3bet); by the IP player against the OOP and it occured 4 handed with the BB being pretty short and me in the SB being ICM unlikely to shove against the big stack who was the 3 bettor.

Also interesting to note there was only 2 times that the BB (sir donksalot) defended when UTG (Oonram00n) opened. Now you might say thats not that weird. However of the 103 hands 70 of them were 4 handed or less with 24 of them being 3 handed!. Meaning that of the available times Oonram00n opened (alot) BB defended a whooping 2 times. As I stated earlier as well there was exactly 1 3bet between the players. Not once was there a 3bet of the SB (Oonram00n) when BTN (Sir donksalot) opened. In my sample 0onram00n 3bets 13% from the SB. not once in the sample hands did they 3bet the SB against the BTN open. Especially unlikely considering Oonram00n was chip leader for a decent amount of the tournament. He only didnt 3 bet because Sirdonksalot was opening the btn.

As for the BvB matchups there were 15 of them here they are:

1st: sb limp/ bb r/ sb f (8 handed)
2nd: sb raise/ bb fold (7 handed)
3rd: sb r / bb fold (4 handed)
4th: sb r / bb call sb cbet bb fold (4handed)
5th: sb call / bb r sb fold (4 handed)
6th: sb fold
7th: sb call / bb r sb fold (4 handed)
8th: sb call / bb r sb call (4 handed)
Flop J73hhh ch/ch
Turn Qh sb lead 1/3 bb call
River 7 ch/ch
SB shows JTh BB mucks
This one is important because before this hand I was 2nd in chips BB was 1st and SB was 3rd but close to me and the 4th player was really short. This pot was large enough to allow both SB and BB to cover me.

9th: sb r / bb f (4 handed)
10th: sb r / bb 3 bet / sb fold (4 handed)
Not sure about this one they both covered the other two players before and after the hand though.
11th: sb call / bb check sb bet flop and bb fold (4handed)
12th: sb r / bb f (3 handed)
13th: sb r / bb f (3 handed)
14th: sb call / bb check flop ch/b/c turn ch/ch river ch/ch board: 632 3 T BB has 69o

So in these 14 BvB hands these players saw exactly two flops and they were played very passively. It seems as if they mainly used these BvB spots to transfer chips from one player to the other when needed and rarely saw flops. Seriously who plays like this? Especially because BB covered SB for a majority of these BvB spots.

I ended up getting 3rd in this tournament and I'm sure this has happened many times before, hell I found this after 20 minutes of looking through my database. I'm sure there are other instances ive gotten 3 way with them or others in the ring.

This to me is pretty damning for both these two players at least. Let me know what else I can do and thank you bobo for bringing this to my attention in the tournament we played earlier.
03-18-2020 , 07:20 AM
In my opinion, everything is obvious here.
There are a lot of suspicious MTT games on BOL. I do not play in such high stakes, but the same problems arise in lower stakes.

I hope that these guys do not have time to withdraw funds from their accounts. although all the money is already in their pocket.

They will register new accounts and begin to do the same. on BOL there is no account verification. nobody requires additional documents. if you make a deposit from Bitcoin and withdraw to Bitcoin
03-18-2020 , 07:28 AM
@LUDHUB may you elaborate your suspicions regarding lower stakes? Who are the players u referring too? Very interested, because low/midstakes MTT are my bread and butter XD
03-18-2020 , 07:31 AM
Wow, thats all incredibly suspicious and it seems obvious that something is going on with these accounts. I just recently got rid of my old hard drive/PT4 db that had tons of hands against these guys, if it does come to parsing through HHs I'll see if I can get it back and help out.
03-18-2020 , 08:43 AM
Thank you for this I will forward it straight away to the security team.

Kind Regards
Mike
03-18-2020 , 08:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Streh
Hello,

Appreciate you guys adding higher stakes stuff but they need better structures so we can actually play poker. The $500 event today should not have the same structure as all the other tournaments that is just absurd. I get that fast tournaments are kind of your selling point but for the $109s+ you should consider making it 15-20 minute levels or something
Hi Streh,
Thanks for this, this is a key time for constructive feedback so we can actually improve the tourneys moving forwards.

Kind regards

Mike
03-18-2020 , 02:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BetOnline Mike
Hi Streh,
Thanks for this, this is a key time for constructive feedback so we can actually improve the tourneys moving forwards.

Kind regards

Mike
You guys have had bots working openly on your site forever. Everyone here knows the names even and you don't absolutely ****** nothing. Seriously, why don't the people at your company care about this in any way.

Does it bother you that you post here and this kind of thing (bots, collusion, etc) happens continually on your platform?

Last edited by iwannapoker; 03-18-2020 at 03:02 PM.
03-18-2020 , 05:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ebobo
Hi guys! I have been playing poker professionally for 10 years, my BetOnline nickname is ebobo.

I suspect these accounts in collusion:

Thapan
ILIKEBOWL
Talisman
Sir DonkAlot
Oonram00n
Santisuk
BOONKOON
goawayb0i
M16nuke
PPNoodles
changy

Here are their sharkscope stats:

Accounts are listed from the newest to the oldest. Some of them were registered on the same day.

With great probability, all accounts come from the same country, and this is not the United States.

Average buy-ins, Early/Middle/Late outs, AFS, games per day, all of them have the same values.

Some accounts take long breaks and finish/start playing on the same day.





All these 11 accounts were playing last Saturday, March 8th, and everyone simultaneously missed the Sunday Main event on March 9th.


You can check it on Sharkscope.

I believe all accounts are managed by a team of 2-3 people, and they share their pocket cards. This gives them a huge advantage in the ICM stage and beyond.

They play only the most expensive tournaments with a small number of participants and Saturday-Sunday "majors".

They always jump-in during late registration with 25bbs or less, entering exactly 1:30 after the start of the tournament, with a small interval so that they are not immediately seated at the same table.

The best thing for them is when there are three of their accounts at the same table.

I have screen records of their registration process, and the final table when they outplay a fun player together.

I have 1500-2500 hands on them in the database, there are a lot of similar stats there, but the selection is small.

I suggest that all players who have suffered from the actions of this team make an alias from these accounts and send HandHistory to the mail bolcheaters@gmail.com . I think that on a sample of 10k hands for each, their strategy will be the same.

For analysis, I will create a separate database and after the investigation I commit to delete it.

I ask the BOL security department to block these accounts until the circumstances are clarified, in case of proof of their guilt, to keep all funds in their accounts and distribute between the affected players. They won about 500k$


At the moment, all accounts from the “bolcheaters” alias are open for search on Sharkscope.

If they get closed from monitoring after posting this, I propose that this be considered a confession.

I kindly ask everyone who regularly plays tournaments to leave a comment on what he thinks about this.
I played here regularly (oldmanluman) , add me on skype ebobo i can share database, if they are found to be cheating i'm owed thousands of dollars
03-18-2020 , 06:18 PM
i really appreciate the time and effort you have put into this. i don't play the higher stakes often but i have played vs all of these players at one time or another and if you are right....this is sickening. many of my friends will have been affected
03-18-2020 , 08:55 PM
Nice work Ebobo.

Im JAJAJAJAJAJA, going to be looking thru hands when I get some time as well of these listed players
Lets hope the Security Team can do a good job here and seriously review this and take the appropriate measures. Players need to be reimbursed appropriately and confirmed cheaters identified.
03-18-2020 , 10:12 PM
Interesting to see what happen with this...
- IsThisRealLife
03-19-2020 , 12:27 AM
I am Jlaps on BOL, Ebobo, and I just emailed you over 10k hands I have on all of these suspected cheaters.


Lmk if there is anything else I can do to help out.

-LappyPoker
03-19-2020 , 01:34 AM
Danknugs420 here and I play against those boys all the time, I'll check out my hand histories and send as well. Thanks for starting to look into it ebobo!
03-19-2020 , 04:01 AM
Just emailed about 700-1300 HH on each of these 11 accounts. Keep us updated and let me know what else I can do. - McFlyyoubozo
03-19-2020 , 08:34 AM
Morning All

Please send me any info at all privately guys on this situation. It has been reported and is being investigated.

Kind regards

Mike
03-19-2020 , 11:23 AM
I am also tired of the inaction of the security service of this room and the support service. It seems that he simply is not.

March 11, 2020 In many tournaments, there was a global freeze. many players just hung in tournaments, and their chips were just stolen,
those players who had no problems. This went on for several hours.
many players have lost their chips and money.
The fact of freezing tournaments was recorded by the chat support service.
Also, many players have written complaints about this.
I received a response that the money will be returned within 24-48 hours.
A week passed, and now they refuse to pay any funds and compensate for losses.
Proto laughs and claims that everything was in order and the players played in the tournament)

I am attaching all screenshots of the hung tournaments and screenshots of the game history of my account, where it is clearly visible that people are sitting in a sieve and are not participating

Mar 11 16:00 Deep Grind: $ 1,000 Gtd Hold'em NL $ 10 + $ 1 Entry # 1
There were 172 distributions in the history of my account, of which only 54 distributions were an act of action, after which the tournament number 531835463 was hanging on the hand and 531836377 on the hand.
The first distribution, when I was kicked out of the tournament and everyone hung up the number 531833751
the first hand is numbered 531835463, when some players are already seated. wormanace laxboyd2 GTOBOT in sitout. I am GBOT, doing car safety in a sitting position.
5 hands after that
Distribution 531836377. The tournament stops and all players sit down.
from that moment no one did anything and did not play

first hand 3 people in touch
[IMG][/IMG]

next hands where players also sitout



the tournament hung and all the players go to sitout


Last edited by LUDHUB; 03-19-2020 at 11:51 AM.
03-19-2020 , 11:55 AM
[QUOTE=LUDHUB;55917788]I am also tired of the inaction of the security service of this room and the support service. It seems that he simply is not.

March 11, 2020 In many tournaments, there was a global freeze. many players just hung in tournaments, and their chips were just stolen,
those players who had no problems. This went on for several hours.
many players have lost their chips and money.
The fact of freezing tournaments was recorded by the chat support service.
Also, many players have written complaints about this.
I received a response that the money will be returned within 24-48 hours.
A week passed, and now they refuse to pay any funds and compensate for losses.
Proto laughs and claims that everything was in order and the players played in the tournament)

I am attaching all screenshots of the hung tournaments and screenshots of the game history of my account, where it is clearly visible that people are sitting in a sieve and are not participating

Mar 11 16:00 Deep Grind: $ 1,000 Gtd Hold'em NL $ 10 + $ 1 Entry # 1
There were 172 distributions in the history of my account, of which only 54 distributions were an act of action, after which the tournament number 531835463 was hanging on the hand and 531836377 on the hand.
The first distribution, when I was kicked out of the tournament and everyone hung up the number 531833751
the first hand is numbered 531835463, when some players are already seated. wormanace laxboyd2 GTOBOT in sitout. I am GBOT, doing car safety in a sitting position.
5 hands after that
Distribution 531836377. The tournament stops and all players sit down.
from that moment no one did anything and did not play

first hand 3 people in touch
[IMG][/IMG]

next hands where players also sitout



the tournament hung and all the players go to sitout


      
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