Hi Poutinepenguin, I am really sorry that you feel this way. I understand your frustration and I am doing everything I can to help rectify the situation.

Kind Regards

Mike

Why is this site still sponsored/promoted by 2p2? They’re obviously scamming people. Continually changing policies that hurt players with no notice. Their only response is “sorry you feel that way”. It’s an absolute joke. Please consider removing this business from your listings. And players, consider never playing on this site again.

Yes,this is all pretty saddening. Chico was quickly becoming my top choice within the past 12 months. But with their recent decision making, lack of notices to players, and overall negligence... It has went downhill rapidly the past few months.

dont be sorry, be better

why even have a rep in the threads if for months we point out issues and ways things can be improved and you dont listen, and in most cases do the opposite of what we suggest.
betonline has probably the best software in all of the US market but somehow the worst traffic. **** like this is why

This is true, software is great. Traffic and rewards just don't compare. They aren't doing themselves any favors that's for sure

C'mon BetOnline team, bring back SNG promos for 9man, 6man, and 6man hypers (don't bother with heads up, there should never be a heads up promotion anywhere in 2020). Take a look at traffic numbers compared to before, there's no way it is even remotely close. $15 sng traffic in 9man and 6man must be down 1000% or more. This just makes no sense, it's got to be hurting your net profits. Bad for everyone.

Time to accept your decision is wrong and to bring back what you had before, if not something comparable. You need regular players to feed these games to get them to run...right now, the value just isn't there.

Yah, I'm assuming they thought they could cut promotions across the board (VIP gone, PLO rewards gone, SNG rewards gone) without losing too much traffic, but it's backfiring. The only game doing well is probably .05/.10 NLHE b/c they inadvertently sent a drove of grinders there with their nonsensical new promos.

Everything seemed solid about 9 months ago when they had the cash rakes, SNG leaderboards, VIP program for MTT buyins, etc. Seemed like everyone was getting a pretty fair deal. I wish they'd just bite the bullet, admit they were wrong and go back to that format.

Is there any way to change the blind structure in your sit n' go's? They favor the less skilled player and they quickly just turn into a 6-7 person shove fest.

So, I have 375k in VIP points. Is that worth anything. Also, got calls like 3x/week for two weeks about a deposit bonus. Why shouldn't we just have rakeback and a rake race like they do on ACR? Seems like something a smart site would do. I at least used to be able to use my VIP points for MTT's, but now I can't even do that. Why wouldn't I just move most of my volume to ACR if you aren't going to offer anything?

It seems like they were trying to develop a rewards program that caters more to recreational players. Obviously this is very difficult to do, and whatever system they pursue in this vein could potentially be exploitable.
I agree that the VIP points was a benefit. That being said, it still represents a small amount of rakeback (in terms of percentage). It is also frustrating, though, constantly seeing the large number of unusable VIP points you have on the screen all the time.
ACR does put on a good number of sensible promotions, in addition to daily rakeback. Perhaps BetOnline should seek consulting to develop similar efforts to improve their volume and overall sustainability.

It would be cool to transfer VIP points for cash. I have over 500k right now. The windfalls are fun. The chance of hitting it big is nice and likely appeals to recreational players making the games a bit softer.

Back in the olden days BetOnline had POP points. The only problem was they could only be used in the 500 POP point tourney which only happened like once a week. Through exploring the SitNgos I had found a place where you could transfer your POP points to enter the game and basically play SitNgos in exchange for POP points. Very few people knew about this feature. Once I discovered this, it was a gold mine because I had accumulated a **** ton of POP points. I should have churned this out quicker because eventually BetOnline did away with POP points before I could use them all up.

VIP points used to have roughly 5-10% rakeback in value as they could be used to buy into a multitude of MTT events, including the highest tournies on the site. Many players played more with the understanding that they were earning a bit of extra reward money on the side, which was a nice little benefit.

About 7 months ago, BetOnline suddenly cut all benefits for VIP points. Several players had balances in the millions that now had 0 uses, so effectively BetOnline stole thousands from each of these players b/c VIP points were now worthless and have been ever since.

5-6 months ago, the BetOnline rep here Mike told us that meetings were under way to develop a new VIP program with new uses for VIP points. We were assured that these changes would be coming "soon". It has been almost 7 months and nothing has materialized.

Something to keep in mind.

Rake fees on sngs and dons went up by quite a bit today and I'm thinking that the lower level games aren't beatable now.

The fees on the lowest priced sngs went from 10% up to 13.4% roughly, and
even the $7.00 tables which I believe were at 8.5% are now at 10%

Did they just ruin the lower stakes games on their site ?

My total ROI is around 9% and I think this is going to hurt quite a bit.


Just looking to see what others thoughts are on this, and if this is going to
make some quit playing on there ?

I'm also looking at Ignition Poker and wondering if they might be a viable option for me,
and would appreciate any info. on that site. Thanks

I like ignition. I'm not grinding any sng's until the rake gets fixed either. 3.5% increase is absolutely insane!

Yes, 3.5% increase is nuts. It will be almost impossible to build a bankroll with these rake amounts. Looks like all the sngs and dons are up 3 to 3.4 %

I thought there would be more outrage by the players, esp regs, but i'm not sure many even noticed or care.

One reg told me if I don't like it go somewhere else...well... if I wasn't from U.S I would.

Anyway, I've looked at some of the regs small stakes double or nothing players stats and their profits seem to be dropping by quite a bit and or flatlining.

The following is rake percentage for normal speed (10 min blind level) SitnGos
Example

Betonline: $1.5 BI ($1.30 goes to prize pool and 20 cents for rake) \ Rake% = 15.38%

Ignition Casino\ Bovada $1.1 BI ($1 goes to prize pool and 10 cents for rake) \ Rake% = 10%

ACR: $1.65 ($1.50 goes to prize pool and 15 cents for rake) \ Rake% = 10%

I understand a percentage of rake for BOL's SitnGoes was populate the weekly leaderboard. The rake should decrease the amount used for the leaderboard.

New Sit & Go Missions that qualify for a $2,000 Mission Complete FR each week.

Missions are now live from the MY MISSIONS lobby.

· New Progressive Knockout Sit & Go's
· New Texas 6+ Sit & Go's
· New Boost Heads-Up Sit and Go's

Good luck guys and let me know how you like them.

Kind Regards

Mike

Can we get that rake decrease? Thanks!

I'm thinking about trying a sample size on sngs to se where I come out.
If there is no profit I guess that would mean I'm done. I'm not going to grind just to make BOL money.

lol. this is your rakeback. rejoice

lmao not only did they take away vip points as rakeback, and the leaderboard as rakeback, they also decided to add more rake. this is realistically like a 100% increase in rake from a few months ago

Yes, I haven't ran my sample sizes yet to see if I can make a profit, but from the looks of it from other profitable players stats I've looked at it don't look good.

I appreciate the effort from BOL to bring back promotions to SNG but I'm afraid this isn't going to bring the action back as it's not very enticing. Grinding lots for a chance to qualify for a low-value freeroll which takes time as well isn't a great promotion. BOL should take a hard look at traffic numbers since removing leaderboards, it's down heaps. I'm one of the top rakers in SNG here and my rake paid is less than half of before. Everyone, including BOL, has been affected negatively by the SNG changes.

The key point of this post is to highlight that SNG volume revolves around regular players. If you don't have them around to register games in the lobby, way less games will run. BOL has taken away the value of playing here for these players and traffic is down a tonne as a result.

Also, taking away $100 6man, $60 9man, and $30 9man SNG wasn't smart. These games didn't run all the time but they still saw action. It's okay to have games in your lobby that don't run 24 hours. Players can filter them out of lobby if they choose not to play them. These games have ran at higher frequency in the past and definitely have room for growth in the future.

On a positive note, the new 6max hyper structure is much better.

can any explain how these "Heads-Up Boost 8's Sit and Go's" work? is it like a 3 round, 8 players->4->2 format?