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Old 08-20-2019, 06:52 PM   #176
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please add no limit omaha high lo tables
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Old 08-20-2019, 09:44 PM   #177
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please add no limit omaha high lo tables
Against this. No Limit Hi/Lo is a botter's dream. Shove charts are all you need. Pot limit games are much better.
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Old 08-21-2019, 12:16 AM   #178
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I agree, the time bank is too short. It pretty much makes multi-tabling a bit of a risk. Ideally it would be nice if the initial shot clock was at least 15-20 seconds.
Yes time bank is too short. I took my action elsewhere because I kept timing out. If this is fixed I'd come back because I like the software and the company
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Old 08-21-2019, 02:05 AM   #179
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Against this. No Limit Hi/Lo is a botter's dream. Shove charts are all you need. Pot limit games are much better.
I have played millions of hands of no limit O8 without ever playing against a bot. Stars even offers 20 bb cap games and they are bot free. I don't see that as a reason not to add them. NLO8 has always been more popular than PLO8 on any site that has offered them both regardless if we are talking about cash mtts or sngs.
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Old 08-27-2019, 02:08 AM   #180
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What do regs here consider the 10nlz pool to be compared to other pools/sites? Is 10nlz here harder than 25nlz on Ignition?

Should 10nlz here be overall harder than say, 20nl on Global?
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Old 08-28-2019, 09:41 PM   #181
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What do regs here consider the 10nlz pool to be compared to other pools/sites? Is 10nlz here harder than 25nlz on Ignition?

Should 10nlz here be overall harder than say, 20nl on Global?
The lobby displays number of players and number of entries, and the former is typically around 75% of the latter. So, many players aren't even playing on 2 tables, let alone 4. Some of them even find time to chat.
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Old 08-29-2019, 01:51 AM   #182
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Hi , probably going to deposit on Betonline first time. Is the bot problem worse or better than other US sites?
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Old 08-29-2019, 02:53 AM   #183
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Hi , probably going to deposit on Betonline first time. Is the bot problem worse or better than other US sites?
There is no way to tell exactly how many there are in the Ignition/Bovada/Bodog games.

There is no way to tell exactly how many there are at Global Poker without breaking their terms of service.

My guess is there's a higher ratio of bots to real players on this network than at either of those networks, even if there might be more total bots at Ignition/Bovada/Bodog. Just to be clear, there's still way more real players here than there are bots.

It's been similar and slightly better than the WPN in the last few years at different points.

One of the biggest factors at play is the location restrictions as most bots tend to come from Russia and Europe, primarily, but not exclusively, from Eastern Europe. Neither this network nor the WPN restrict players from those countries while Ignition/Bovada/Bodog and Global Poker both do.

I couldn't tell you what the percentage is on the agent sites like PPPoker. Apparently some of those sites/clubs do a better job than others.

I haven't heard of many bot complaints about the cryptocurrency sites.

I have no idea if there's any issues at the regulated sites.

I can confirm that it has improved here a bit over the last few weeks in the NLHE cash games. Even commercial bot forums have recently raised their caution levels for running a bot here. There are still some around and I will continue sending lists to the network until they're all gone.

If you play NLHE cash games and would like some help in identifying them then you can send me a private message.

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Old 08-29-2019, 05:27 AM   #184
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1) do fast fold tables here count toward the daily/weekly cash game rake race?

2) do zoom results show up on Sharkscope? Or just reg tables?

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Old 08-29-2019, 06:12 AM   #185
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https://promotions.betonline.ag/week...ekly-cash-race

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Our new leaderboard rewards all stake levels, and action on all cash tables count towards your race results, including Omaha, Bad Beat Jackpot, and our popular Boost Poker tables too.
Their fast fold poker tables are called Boost Poker tables.

Sharkscope doesn't track cash games as far as I know of. If you mean fast fold MTTs then I assume they would, but I'm not certain.
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Old 08-29-2019, 01:48 PM   #186
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Hi , probably going to deposit on Betonline first time. Is the bot problem worse or better than other US sites?
For PLO it usually looks like this:

PLO .25/.50 - Tons of bots. I actually saw 2 6-max tables recently with 5 bots sitting. Usually there will be 2-4, almost never 0-1.

PLO .50/1 - Slightly better, but still pretty bot infested. Somewhat rare to see 4+ at a 6-max table, but almost always 2 or 3.

PLO 1/2 - Slightly better than .50/1, usually 2 bots per average full 6-max table.

PLO 2/5+ - There's only 1 bot that plays these levels that I know of.

No idea how that compares to other sites, but probably not too favorably. I've sent a couple reports by email in the past and recently PMed a list of PLO bots to Michael but nothing has been done.
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Old 08-29-2019, 07:01 PM   #187
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It is possible they are PLO bots. I just tracked the quality of the games, saw many 5-star players and how much action there is at different limits and it seems playable below 100 but the 5,5% rake makes it impossible. For 100 or 200 it doesn't have enough action and the action was as it was. One needs a converter (30-40 dollars/euros for life) to have a HUD (for HEM, PT). Omaha indicator can datamine the hands like the free holdem indicator they call a calculator can.

They would have something to learn here to improve the playability of their PLO games and get more customers. There are better sites for US and Euro players; this site is mostly for NLH players and for players who are not allowed to play at most sites because of regulations but even then a site like Winamax beats this site's PLO offerings during high times even when the rake is there high also (because it is regulated).

No excuse why the PLO rake here is as high as it is, that shows a lot of ignorance when it comes to PLO (the situation at PLO8 must be way worse). An active site for NLH but that's about it.

Looked at the tourney action also and it doesn't go high enough compared to WPN. But lower than that, it rates playable and the holdem indicator might work there even if it misses some functions the tourney indicator offers, and then datamine a good amount before playing. Maybe one can find something more automatic for it, considering how the sites can be tracked.

I read a rather recent article that this network has started to fight against bots and some botter left just in case. At WPN they have put more efforts into it and Party too has but Party has always sucked as overall beatability and now not only tracking isn't possible, HHs are not possible either. I would play at this network over Party cash games but that's about it, being no match over the competition on the PLO side.
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Old 08-30-2019, 10:17 AM   #188
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Not sure why someone would expect PLO to have more focus than NLHE. Remember - PLO is a side game and an afterthought.
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Old 09-01-2019, 12:52 AM   #189
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I guess the only way to get a hud up and running (visible with stats) is to use the drivehud odds calculator thing that you can download off the site? I like it but just making sure I can't do something with PT4 or DriveHud first.

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Old 09-01-2019, 05:05 AM   #190
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I guess the only way to get a hud up and running (visible with stats) is to use the drivehud odds calculator thing that you can download off the site? I like it but just making sure I can't do something with PT4 or DriveHud first.

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Can use this in conjunction with PT4:

https://www.acepokersolutions.com/be...e-hud-catcher/

Drivehud works with chico
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Old 09-01-2019, 07:44 PM   #191
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Thank you. For both the link and your avatar, Sir.
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Old 09-02-2019, 07:29 PM   #192
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Since never playing lower than NL500 I am not an expert on bots but I'd be willing to bet my bankroll that S1000RR and ytrewq are bots run by the same person/group of people
Could anyone tell me what their locations are? And other people who play in the NL500/1k games could you share your thoughts?

Mike, please investigate it
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Old 09-03-2019, 05:16 AM   #193
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How much you got in that bankroll?

I'll take a more thorough look, but neither has ever struck me as potential bots and they're certainly not the most commonly found type.

What evidence can you provide to back up your claims? I don't think we should just be throwing out account names without some strong evidence to suggest they're actually botting. In such cases that you just suspect something you can private message me and I can give you my opinion. You could also private message Mike with your concerns.
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Old 09-03-2019, 06:50 AM   #194
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You're right, I shouldn't have put out claims that theyre botting without evidence to back it up. I PM'd you my reasons, obv not going to post them here.
I would just to know what other Regs are thinking and if they are from the same location.
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Old 09-03-2019, 07:30 AM   #195
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I get wanting to get other people's opinions about something suspicious. I just think that talking in certainties about botting accounts should require strong evidence. I think if you had just asked "has anybody noticed anything suspicious with 'x' and 'y' account?" it would be better than throwing out botting accusations.

I see your pm and I will get back to you when I have a chance to take a more thorough look at the accounts.
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Old 09-03-2019, 08:17 AM   #196
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Yes, youre right that shouldve been the way I shouldve went about it
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Old 09-04-2019, 05:59 AM   #197
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TLDR: They're probably not bots, but they do have some similarities and exhibit some traits that might seem a bit suspicious.

They have some big differences in their stats, so they're definitely not using a program that outputs the same or similar strategy like you'll see with the lower stakes bots.

They both incorporate a short-stacking strategy where they'll often buy-in for the minimum. This is not that unusual by itself, but it isn't that common to see from most regs playing at these stakes on this network.

I've also never identified a fully autonomous short-stacking bot.

ytrewq doesn't seem to like me for one reason or another. He's constantly talking trash to me at the tables. I can count on one hand how many suspected bots I've seen chat at all.

For these reasons I don't believe they're likely to be bots. I'm not saying it's impossible for them both to be using something, I just think it's less likely then you assumed.

They are both from the same city of Minsk.

They won't play each other HU, but they are very adamant that you play them 3-handed when you sit at a table with both of them. ytrewq will go from sitting out to instantly sitting in and talking trash to me if I don't sit in too.

I'm not sure where some of these players got the idea that it's OK to sit out HU, but not OK to sit out when there's 3 players at a table. I've seen other players than just these two say that. That's not something that is mentioned on the rules page.

I rarely ever table camp, but camping is not explicitly stated in the rules. Most often if you see me sitting out it's either because I'm taking a brief bathroom break, I got disconnected or I'm having a brief chat with someone at a short-handed table. I don't call other people out for table camping.

Table blocking is mentioned in the rules. My interpretation of table blocking, whether correctly or incorrectly interpreted, is that you shouldn't be sitting at a full table just because another player at that table has sat out while simultaneously playing on other tables for more than your current orbit. You should either be sitting out at all tables for a brief break every once in a while or leaving the one you're sitting out at if you'd like to continue playing at the others. I regularly call people out for abusing this rule.

Since they're from the same city and both use a short-stacking strategy it's possible that they have a connection off of the tables, but I have no proof of that. Add the fact that they won't play each other HU, but they're adamant that you play them 3-handed and it's a little suspicious.

I can't definitively say whether there's any collusion or soft-playing going on between them. I don't believe my database has a feature where I could check such things like how many big pots they've played vs each other or how often they 3-bet/4-bet/raise each other vs how often they do that against the general population. I think there are databases with graphs that can show you that kind of stuff.

ytrewq plays a lot more 500NL and some 1KNL while S1000RR plays 1KNL and 2KNL more often than ytrewq does. It doesn't appear that they always play together or sit at the same tables. When they do, it appears to be mostly at 1KNL.

Let me know if you come across anything else suspicious about them, but at the moment I have no proof of any impropriety after taking a brief look at them.
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Old 09-04-2019, 07:43 AM   #198
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Thanks a lot for looking into it MCAChi
I am sorry for quickly calling them out as bots, I shouldnt have done that
It was the fact that I was playing 4 handed with them and another reg and I was discussing the possability of them botting with the other reg (betforlulz I think) in chat. They remained silent until after about 10 minutes in the conversation they both claimed not being a bot about 20 seconds apart from each other. That made me draw the conclusion far too quickly. It was probably just a coincidence. Glad I didnt bet my bankroll.
Still, they are from the same city, share a lot of simalarities in their play that are not common for winning players at those stakes and seem to be eager to play shorthanded with other regs, so if you decide to regwar with them be aware of those facts.
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Old 09-04-2019, 08:39 AM   #199
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No problem bro. Hit me up with a private message first next time. I'm happy to help get cheaters out of the games if we can prove that they're cheating, but I will also stick up for players who I believe are playing by the rules no matter where they're from, if they stack me every day or if we trash talk each other at the tables. The integrity of the game is the only one of those things that really matters to me in the long run.


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Old 09-05-2019, 11:10 AM   #200
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They are both from the same city of Minsk.
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Hallo, MCAChiTown.
How is that possible to find out the player's location on Chico? Didn't find any options in poker client.
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