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Old 07-25-2020, 01:52 PM   #1551
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I have a list of all of the active bots that I'm aware of in the NLHE cash games and a bot guide for detecting them on your own. If you or anybody else would like to look at that information then feel free to send me a private message.

Hey I would like to look at that information, but Iím new to this site and donít think my PM is enabled. Are these winning bots? Will the boy guide help detect bots on other sites?

Thanks.
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Old 07-25-2020, 04:17 PM   #1552
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Re: BetOnline.ag Poker: Cash Games Thread

You'll need to make more posts throughout the forums for private messaging to be enabled on your account. Try to find some threads that interest you and make a comment in them. It shouldn't take too many posts.

You could also join the Discord group linked by NINzent a few posts back. As long as we can confirm your account at the tables I can give you access to the information on either platform.

There are definitely some winning bots on my list. There are also some slightly losing or break-even ones.

I can't guarantee that it will help you detect bots on other sites, but it probably would. These types of bots have been seen on several other networks.
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Old 07-26-2020, 03:00 AM   #1553
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Hi Mike, considering the 2 ways I could be likely to deposit money again and also refer potentially over a dozen friends and aquaintances back to CHICO instead of telling to STEER CLEAR would be:

1.) The most obvious which is control the bots - and not just for 1 or 2 months and not just 50% or 70% - but 100% control for 100% of future time.

2.) Significantly reduce the rake to around 6.5 or 7bb/100

I hope you respond to the question:

What steps are you and your team taking to make the rake structure more competitive and fair? Your site literally has the highest rake out of any site I have ever played on. That is not something to be proud of.
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Old 07-26-2020, 09:56 PM   #1554
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Sick of getting coolered by the card sharing house bots, and yes they are BetOnline's bots until they can/will do something about game integrity. Withdrew and uninstalled (not that they care).
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Old 07-27-2020, 04:22 AM   #1555
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Re: BetOnline.ag Poker: Cash Games Thread

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Hi Mike, considering the 2 ways I could be likely to deposit money again and also refer potentially over a dozen friends and aquaintances back to CHICO instead of telling to STEER CLEAR would be:

1.) The most obvious which is control the bots - and not just for 1 or 2 months and not just 50% or 70% - but 100% control for 100% of future time.

2.) Significantly reduce the rake to around 6.5 or 7bb/100

I hope you respond to the question:

What steps are you and your team taking to make the rake structure more competitive and fair? Your site literally has the highest rake out of any site I have ever played on. That is not something to be proud of.
@ Mike:

Interested in the rake question as well and also when can we expect a VIP system. There has to be something that can be done with those VIP points. What is the timeline there?
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Old 07-29-2020, 06:49 PM   #1556
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Re: BetOnline.ag Poker: Cash Games Thread

https://pokerindustrypro.com/news/ar...d-seizing-less

if anyone wants to read how a different sites takes care of bot accounts.

not only do they ban the specific accounts but they reimburse players as well.
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Old 07-29-2020, 07:47 PM   #1557
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https://pokerindustrypro.com/news/ar...d-seizing-less

if anyone wants to read how a different sites takes care of bot accounts.

not only do they ban the specific accounts but they reimburse players as well.
Mike Sexton is involved with Party Poker right? I can see him being vigilant about the bot issue
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Old 07-30-2020, 09:20 AM   #1558
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Yeah I asked this a lot and never recieved an answer:
A decent amount of bot accounts have gotten banned recently, why are the players not getting their money back?
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Old 07-30-2020, 09:32 AM   #1559
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Just regarding seating scripts. I would guess that something like this has been suggested before but is there any way a system could be implemented within the software where if you click to sit down at a table, there would be a random delay of anywhere from 1-20 seconds. This random delay would significantly reduce the efficacy of any seating script and ensure a more level playing field.
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Old 07-31-2020, 06:04 AM   #1560
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Just regarding seating scripts. I would guess that something like this has been suggested before but is there any way a system could be implemented within the software where if you click to sit down at a table, there would be a random delay of anywhere from 1-20 seconds. This random delay would significantly reduce the efficacy of any seating script and ensure a more level playing field.
There are much easier ways to combat seating scripts, like actually banning the really obvious ones (Chitown has a long list of all people who are scripting for certain) and only allowing the software to open one table that you are not sitting on.
I suggested both, neither happened so far.
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Old 07-31-2020, 07:54 PM   #1561
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This is a HUGE step! Thank you so much for the diligence guys, BetOnline Mike, MCA, bloodwolf and etc. !!!

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Old 07-31-2020, 07:56 PM   #1562
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Yeah I asked this a lot and never recieved an answer:
A decent amount of bot accounts have gotten banned recently, why are the players not getting their money back?
Received an email a couple hours ago that I received a refund due to playing against players they just banned. anybody else? few hundred dollars so not much but a step in the right direction i think.
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Old 07-31-2020, 08:17 PM   #1563
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That's awesome news! I'm happy to see them do the right thing by compensating the players who lose money to these cheaters!
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Old 07-31-2020, 08:20 PM   #1564
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Yeah some people on our Discord server also came forward saying that they recieved some refunds, pretty amazing
I hope there is still more to come. I also lost money to a bunch of bots, for example I'm down 2590.87$ vs SunSwiftness who got banned 3 months ago and didn't recieve any refunds
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Old 07-31-2020, 08:29 PM   #1565
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be nice though to know which accounts were banned.
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Old 08-01-2020, 06:26 PM   #1566
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Yeah some people on our Discord server also came forward saying that they recieved some refunds, pretty amazing
I hope there is still more to come. I also lost money to a bunch of bots, for example I'm down 2590.87$ vs SunSwiftness who got banned 3 months ago and didn't recieve any refunds
Probably tiger doesnt give money back, only betonline
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Old 08-01-2020, 11:20 PM   #1567
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Probably tiger doesnt give money back, only betonline
false, got back some at tiger
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Old 08-03-2020, 01:30 PM   #1568
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Sick of getting coolered by the card sharing house bots, and yes they are BetOnline's bots until they can/will do something about game integrity. Withdrew and uninstalled (not that they care).
They should care. I know 3 people other than myself who have not even posted in this forum that withdrew their entire bankroll off. I know about another 4 maybe 5 I explicitly told to NEVER deposit any money on this site, ever. Those people and the 4 or 5 others - what do you think they would say to someone else who inquired about any relevant info they might have on Bet Online?

Not to mention easily over 15 posters directly from this forum that have said they were totally done with the site.

That's potentially 100+ possible clients not even counting 2nd + 3rd hand inquiries.

Assuming each of those 100 clients could have raked modestly ~$1,500 a month, that is $150,000 a month BetOnline has lost just from my own personal sphere of keeping up with this thread.
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Old 08-03-2020, 04:31 PM   #1569
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Well looks like they finally stole all our VIP points.
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Old 08-03-2020, 06:08 PM   #1570
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Without even an announcement, or any compensation. And they kept saying, "Wait, be patient."
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Old 08-03-2020, 08:36 PM   #1571
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Sorry guys, they are completely gone?
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Old 08-03-2020, 09:07 PM   #1572
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Rat bastards told us for over a year they were going to honor the VIP points. Now they just took them all. I had $1000+ in points. BOL just stole a few million bucks from it's players.
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Old 08-03-2020, 09:20 PM   #1573
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Rat bastards told us for over a year they were going to honor the VIP points. Now they just took them all. I had $1000+ in points. BOL just stole a few million bucks from it's players.
hahahahaha but guys, guys....don't get your panties in a bunch....

Mike told us that Bet Online has added more tournaments to compensate for this - so all us cash players that don't play tournaments (like myself) get our points stolen and don't get anything back!

If you really think about it, sacrificing our own rightfully earned profit from the points is better for the entire ecosystem so in the end, we get back way more than was taken!
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Old 08-04-2020, 06:44 AM   #1574
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10m points rip.
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Old 08-05-2020, 10:55 AM   #1575
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They should care. I know 3 people other than myself who have not even posted in this forum that withdrew their entire bankroll off. I know about another 4 maybe 5 I explicitly told to NEVER deposit any money on this site, ever. Those people and the 4 or 5 others - what do you think they would say to someone else who inquired about any relevant info they might have on Bet Online?

Not to mention easily over 15 posters directly from this forum that have said they were totally done with the site.

That's potentially 100+ possible clients not even counting 2nd + 3rd hand inquiries.

Assuming each of those 100 clients could have raked modestly ~$1,500 a month, that is $150,000 a month BetOnline has lost just from my own personal sphere of keeping up with this thread.
I'm sure I'm in the top 3 of PLO200 hands played by a (human) player over the last 5 years on this site, but got fed up with the BS and played my last hand in about May. It was obvious they were screwing us over with the VIP points and the continuous lies by Mike (how many times did he tell us the new program is coming soon?) to keep buying time really rubbed me the wrong way.

Luckily it caused me to open my eyes and realize there are several sites I like more than BOL. It would probably take the introduction of an old PokerStars Supernova Elite-like program to entice me to come back at this point.

Oh and when I really put my nose to the grindstone, I raked about $15,000 a month, so that's like 10 theoretical clients in n00b's calculations. I see that now that would get me back maybe like $1175 in rewards which is a complete joke.

I honestly think that their model was in trouble and they were headed for tough times at the start of this year after losing a lot of human players due to certain issues, but then the quarantine hit and brought in an influx of new players which has masked any issues and convinced the higher ups that they're doing well. We'll see what happens long-term. If they can continue cleaning up the bot issue and add a decent VIP program I think they could capitalize on the USA market, which has been thirsting for a great option for years.

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