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Old 07-08-2020, 02:17 PM   #1501
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Hello Mike,

Thats very good news.

But what about TigerGaming skin, why it has different cashout policy?
Mike can you answer this please?

also what happens when people win the jackpot. the winner got 200k roughly for this. Is that person only able to cashout 15k per week?
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Old 07-08-2020, 02:56 PM   #1502
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Hey guys,

$10k Weekly Cash Race is now $40k with new structure by stake level:

NLHE 10 $500 PLO 10 $250
NLHE 25 $1,000 PLO 25 $500
NLHE 50 $2,000 PLO 50 $1,250
NLHE 100 $10,000 PLO 100 $2,000
NLHE 200 $7,500 PLO 200 $1,500
NLHE 500 $5,000 PLO 500 $2,500
NLHE 1000 $4,000 PLO 1000 $2,000

Total NLHE $30,000 PLO $10,000


*Finally an exclusive PLO version (I’m sure a lot of players will be happy with that)
*Some of the prizes for the top places in certain stake levels include tournament seats to our Sunday Main Event.
Heard about the change to the rake race leaderboard so figured I'd give it a look.

Particularly this part seemed interesting:

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*Finally an exclusive PLO version (I’m sure a lot of players will be happy with that)
But then I checked out the details. My main game is PLO200 so I was most interested in that.

Currently the leader of the PLO200 leaderboard is paying $1460 in rake for the week and top prize is only $491.

Leader of NLHE200 leaderboard is paying $1487 but their top prize is $1766.

So the PLO winner will probably pay roughly the same in rake for about a quarter of the prize that the NLHE winner will receive.

The last week I grinded BOL was back in April and I paid about $5500 in rake in a single week split between PLO100 and PLO200. I could do that now, win both leaderboards and only earn $691 and $491 in prizes for about 21.5% rakeback.

With that much rake paid in NLHE, you could easily win the NL200 leaderboard for $1766 and probably have a decent shot at a high finish in the NL100 leaderboard as well. So you'd be looking at minimum 32.1% rakeback.

PLO players pay a lot more per hand in rake but never seem to have a chance to win a similar % of their rake back compared to their NLHE counterparts.

Seems like some type of tiered VIP system where you pay X rake no matter the game (NLHE, PLO, SNGs, etc.) and receive Y% reward makes the most sense, as well as giving casuals a chance to earn a bit in rewards as well.
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Old 07-08-2020, 03:26 PM   #1503
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Mike can you answer this please?

also what happens when people win the jackpot. the winner got 200k roughly for this. Is that person only able to cashout 15k per week?
No. That person able to cashout only 3k for now
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Old 07-08-2020, 11:16 PM   #1504
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Cash outs have been bumped to 15k a week with two max cash outs in a week (totaling 15k)

I did a 10k cashout Monday and a 5k cashout Tuesday with no issues fast and easy like always!

So glad itís increased so quickly from the 3k cashouts back in May/June! Keep up the great work!


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Old 07-08-2020, 11:35 PM   #1505
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Cash outs have been bumped to 15k a week with two max cash outs in a week (totaling 15k)

I did a 10k cashout Monday and a 5k cashout Tuesday with no issues fast and easy like always!

So glad itís increased so quickly from the 3k cashouts back in May/June! Keep up the great work!


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this is not the case on tigergaming
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Old 07-10-2020, 09:56 PM   #1506
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If any full ring cash regs could DM me I would like to chat about the many many bots and how to counter them and also start reporting them more effectively and as a united front. I focus particularly on 100 and 200nl. Thanks.
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Old 07-12-2020, 01:30 AM   #1507
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yeah they are still here and they did a pretty good week.... loptop and keeper have cumulated around 10k in plo (on my tracker)...
How long this Bs will continue seriously ? @mike... how many reports do you need to move your ass ? probably 20 players + send you reports and nothing have been done.
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Old 07-13-2020, 09:23 AM   #1508
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If any full ring cash regs could DM me I would like to chat about the many many bots and how to counter them and also start reporting them more effectively and as a united front. I focus particularly on 100 and 200nl. Thanks.
Hi JGoldpdx,

Please send me a private message with any information, screen shots or stats with any suspected accounts.

Kind regards

Mike
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Old 07-15-2020, 01:35 AM   #1509
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I'm sorry if this is the wrong thread, I've joined 2+2 a long time ago but recently posted my first post about an hr ago. My question is the following: is there a way to convert hand history to either post on here or upload to PT4? I'm using a Mac Mojave 10.14.6. I don't like the idea of using Parallels.
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Old 07-15-2020, 03:04 AM   #1510
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Hello, i'm new to BetOnline and i was shocked by the amount of auto-seating scripts users. They even don't do any random delay for seating or smth else to mask their activity.

Do something with that, please! It's very hard to seat without script in prime time and i'm always like 5-6th in waitlist at good tables, even if i clicking less then 1 sec after table became full.

I wrote to live chat few times, and they are still here.

I'm lime 99.9% sure that this is scripters:
Angry_Cat
American_BOY
BadBeater
Fufel
hlebushkin
Shrimppasta
The Blackest
wobbler

I also have suspitions about:
Alp1
PrideMU
WhoShotYa

I made some notes to you for easier investigation. All of these notes made on NLH100 Badbeat Tables.

nickname: date and time (player, who they hunted (not for all cases, because i started to do it later))

PT Timezone

Angry_Cat: 14 July - 9.40; 9.44

American_BOY: 14 July - 23.36; 23.57 (trx3); 15 July - 0.09 (Jvp); 0.48 (BryLogs); 1.02 (hurricanebutler); 1.14 (ed288, instant waitlist after another scripter)

Fufel: 14 July - 9.36; 9.38

hlebushkin: 14 July - 23.38; 15 July - 0.21 (cwaderiwa); 0.21 (kingkong99); 1.02 (hurricanebutler)

The Blackest: 14 July - 23.46; 15 July - 0.21 (hurricanebutler); 1.14 (ed288); 1.27 (reed1)



I hope, this will help, and i will continue to make these notes, or, please, Mike, tell me to stop wasting my time, if u have no plans to fight this kind of violators.
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Old 07-15-2020, 03:50 AM   #1511
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Re: BetOnline.ag Poker: Cash Games Thread

Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like everyone has said flat rake back and reducing paid rake is a better system than rake races?

Out of all the sites I've grinded on the past 2 years, Chico takes the most rake from you, with the exception that it is tied with GG poker only because GG takes rake pre flop as well.

Also the rake race pay outs are hilariously unbalanced. $2,000 for 50NL and $10,000 for 100NL but 200PLO only get's $1,500. Damn.

RIP PLO players.
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Old 07-15-2020, 07:21 AM   #1512
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Mike can you answer this please?

also what happens when people win the jackpot. the winner got 200k roughly for this. Is that person only able to cashout 15k per week?
Yes to 15k a week if it's on BetOnline.

I know that some of the other skins are 3k a week, but BOL is 15k a week.

Your limit does not get raised just because you won a BBJ.
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Old 07-15-2020, 10:36 AM   #1513
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Yes to 15k a week if it's on BetOnline.

I know that some of the other skins are 3k a week, but BOL is 15k a week.

Your limit does not get raised just because you won a BBJ.
Hopefully this will be increased quickly, it has already been raised twice as the world gets back to normal.

Kind regards

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Old 07-15-2020, 10:38 AM   #1514
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Hello, i'm new to BetOnline and i was shocked by the amount of auto-seating scripts users. They even don't do any random delay for seating or smth else to mask their activity.

Do something with that, please! It's very hard to seat without script in prime time and i'm always like 5-6th in waitlist at good tables, even if i clicking less then 1 sec after table became full.

I wrote to live chat few times, and they are still here.

I'm lime 99.9% sure that this is scripters:
Angry_Cat
American_BOY
BadBeater
Fufel
hlebushkin
Shrimppasta
The Blackest
wobbler

I also have suspitions about:
Alp1
PrideMU
WhoShotYa

I made some notes to you for easier investigation. All of these notes made on NLH100 Badbeat Tables.

nickname: date and time (player, who they hunted (not for all cases, because i started to do it later))

PT Timezone

Angry_Cat: 14 July - 9.40; 9.44

American_BOY: 14 July - 23.36; 23.57 (trx3); 15 July - 0.09 (Jvp); 0.48 (BryLogs); 1.02 (hurricanebutler); 1.14 (ed288, instant waitlist after another scripter)

Fufel: 14 July - 9.36; 9.38

hlebushkin: 14 July - 23.38; 15 July - 0.21 (cwaderiwa); 0.21 (kingkong99); 1.02 (hurricanebutler)

The Blackest: 14 July - 23.46; 15 July - 0.21 (hurricanebutler); 1.14 (ed288); 1.27 (reed1)



I hope, this will help, and i will continue to make these notes, or, please, Mike, tell me to stop wasting my time, if u have no plans to fight this kind of violators.

Thank you for this, it definitely does help and you are not wasting your time.

Many thanks

Mike
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Old 07-16-2020, 04:51 AM   #1515
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Mike, I used CET, not PT, in my last message, sorry for that.
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Old 07-16-2020, 07:10 AM   #1516
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And again, it was not CET but CT, of course. Sorry, it's not my native time zones.

Today i came with huge amount of evidence about Fufel. PT time.

15 July:
4.02 (LETTHESUNTALK), 8.41 (dromand21)

16 July:
0.57 ($doobie$westbrook$), 0.58 (KidBoom), 1.42 (RobertoDuran (didn't buy-in)), 1.47 (BigMoneyBags (didn't buy-in)), 2.36 (keepitG400 (didn't buy-in from 1st try)), 2.37 (Briro2020), 3.07 (Briro2020), 3.44 (Briro2020), 3.46 (chronictouch)

He don't even try to mask the script a little. Every time he is absolutely first with less then a 0.5 sec delay.
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Old 07-18-2020, 08:15 AM   #1517
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Are there any plans to change some things to the site? I was thinking raising the rake to say 10% with no cap would help the ecosystem. Maybe the site could increase the amount of times the cash game pots are chopped even more. Adding more bots that win at an even higher frequency could take the company in the right direction. Maybe the bots could be adjusted to only show down the nuts. This and making the rake 10% uncapped would really liven up the action and make for more interesting games. I was also thinking of a VIP type rewards program where players earn points they can use to buy into tournaments. Could call them something like "Funny Money Points". Because when players go to use them and find out there's no way to spend them HAHA.
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Old 07-19-2020, 09:38 AM   #1518
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NL100 badbeat table, 19 July 1.40pm

Translate from russian:
pivnoy_alkash: SheepShip
pivnoy_alkash: reported
SheepShip:
SheepShip: omg
SheepShip: there is bots everywhere
SheepShip: no one care
pivnoy_alkash: script is evil
SheepShip: trying it 2nd day
SheepShip: don't like it

Direct confession in script using.
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Old 07-19-2020, 12:39 PM   #1519
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Hi rahm93,

I understand your frustration, but all of the data has been taken and is being investigated by the team.
There was a purge recently in NLH so I would presume the natural progression would be to move to PLO.

I hope people understand that this is a PUBLIC forum, and it would be illogical to reveal certain aspects of the way Betonline is dealing with situations like this.

Betonline is working hard and making big strides and you will see the results I'm sure.

Kind regards

Mike
Any update on this? At least three new bots added,

lockenkey7
Mecaenthium
triumphant33

and all previous accounts still playing daily. Often 2-3 at the same table.

This should not take this long do sort out. Meanwhile these cheaters are cashing out and rotating accounts.

This is truly at a level of incompetence that should suggest a willingness to not address the problem.
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Old 07-19-2020, 02:15 PM   #1520
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Are there any plans to change some things to the site? I was thinking raising the rake to say 10% with no cap would help the ecosystem. Maybe the site could increase the amount of times the cash game pots are chopped even more. Adding more bots that win at an even higher frequency could take the company in the right direction. Maybe the bots could be adjusted to only show down the nuts. This and making the rake 10% uncapped would really liven up the action and make for more interesting games. I was also thinking of a VIP type rewards program where players earn points they can use to buy into tournaments. Could call them something like "Funny Money Points". Because when players go to use them and find out there's no way to spend them HAHA.
****in genius lol +1

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This is truly at a level of incompetence that should suggest a willingness to not address the problem.
So good to see dozens of other players seeing the light.

It is most likely a planned and coordinated effort to execute a strategy that looks exactly like what it looks like to us: Which is to appease the masses just enough for them to look the other way while also then allowing the bots and house bots back onto the platform. Chico wants the bot rake but also wants your rake. They are playing 3 card monty right in front of your eyes which tricks some of you into thinking they are actually trying to fix the problems. When in fact they only want you to think they are trying to fix the problems.
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Old 07-19-2020, 06:31 PM   #1521
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Could this landing page be any more atrocious? Just the link itself in the URL box I've been deleting the extended random letters for a while and they just keep showing up

And the NEW thingy looks too much like a virus page is hitting my monitor and looks like it's covering up the top of the page tabs and login section lol?

The "$20,000 cash race" is what....daily, weekly, monthly? It doesn't specify...

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Old 07-19-2020, 06:37 PM   #1522
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oh and I see the rake race mentioned before was a $2000 weekly prize...GG poker was giving out like double that PER DAY...The payout for 1st place just in itself was $550 EVERY DAY with 2nd place being $350.

The effective rake back after grinding 1 week just to secure a share of $2,000 has to be something like what....15% or 20%?

well **** it's pretty easy to estimate...

100k hands in a month is 25k per week. 25k *10 = $2,500 rake paid is about 10bb/100 in rake which is pretty much what Chico forces on you. Then you fight for $2,000 shared prized pool. So 2nd place gets what...like maybe $200? So they're getting ~8% effective rakeback?
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Old 07-19-2020, 07:40 PM   #1523
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So good to see dozens of other players seeing the light.

It is most likely a planned and coordinated effort to execute a strategy that looks exactly like what it looks like to us: Which is to appease the masses just enough for them to look the other way while also then allowing the bots and house bots back onto the platform. Chico wants the bot rake but also wants your rake. They are playing 3 card monty right in front of your eyes which tricks some of you into thinking they are actually trying to fix the problems. When in fact they only want you to think they are trying to fix the problems.
I said this when they so graciously paid out that bad beat discrepancy. They did nothing for about a week and then after getting ripped to shreds on social media - paid it right away. Coincidence? And now we are right back where we started with the bot infestation, no payment of VIP pts and all the other nonsense
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Old 07-19-2020, 08:30 PM   #1524
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I said this when they so graciously paid out that bad beat discrepancy. They did nothing for about a week and then after getting ripped to shreds on social media - paid it right away. Coincidence? And now we are right back where we started with the bot infestation, no payment of VIP pts and all the other nonsense
No I completely agree. They were going to pay that money out eventually so by paying out that particular case wasn't some grand gesture of any kind at all.

To be honest instead of praising Chico for that decision, the winners should be thanking us forum users and social media users for helping to put pressure on them

Mike didn't even seem aware it was going to happen until it did then he was like "Oh by the way...good news"
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Old 07-19-2020, 08:44 PM   #1525
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something like cutting a $500 check to every poster in this thread as an apology with a personal message from their CEO or w/e would be more in the right direction as making amends and showing they are serious.

Hell at MD live casino the 2nd/3rd in charge of the company would come into the poker room every couple weeks and just randomly hand out $100 chips lol so it's not like it's even that extreme
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