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Old 06-18-2019, 02:44 PM   #51
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I'm not a fan of rakeback. All that money should be getting to the net depositors. Much prefer that money going back into making the game quality better than into a volume winning players pocket.

There should be something as far as lower rake or rakeback when playing short handed. There should be a good incentive to starting games. The focus should be on getting games to run so that net depositors can sit in. Having a net depositor and full rake is worth it for a reg. There's no point in getting rake back while playing with 2 fish and a full table from both the player and the sites perspective.

The goal is to get depositors into the game, then full priced poker.
Until then, a discount.
Very good points here. Incentives for starting games could be very beneficial.
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Old 06-18-2019, 05:03 PM   #52
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Hello, Mike, and welcome!

I'm sure that many BOL players on 2+2 are extremely happy that we finally have a dedicated site forum. I look forward to being able to direct questions and concerns to someone who, I hope, is actually in a position to cut through the red tape and provide answers, plus get problems solved quickly.

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1.The time bank is so short sometimes i cant even make a decision on the river even if i just sat on the table and i have all my timebank avalaible.
I agree. It seems to be slightly shorter than most sites I've played on in my 10 years online, although since the last update I think it's been adjusted upward. Someone suggested making it 30 seconds, but IMO that would slow the game down too much. Adding another 5 sec. would probably make it right, which it appears is what was done.

Rakeback: Yes that would definitely be a positive, and get me playing on your site much more often than I currently do. 15-20% would be great.

Bots: Big, big issue that has caused huge traffic decreases and ruined the reputations of many sites over the years. Please make an effort to do everything possible to get rid of them.

NO ANONYMOUS TABLES!!!!!!: I will never play on any site that has them, not only because bots can't be tracked, but also everything that madmansam said in post #21. The social aspects and relationship building among players are an important part of poker which can't be done online at anonymous tables, since you aren't physically in the same space as your table mates.

I would like to see you add the option (as on virtually every other site I've played on), to save where you prefer to be seated for each table configuration. Such a waste of time to have to click "Sit Here" every time you join a new cash table.

Thank you very much for providing the free HUD, and please continue to do so. I use it all the time, but as a rec player I appreciate not having to spend the (what would be for me) considerable money for something like PTR4 plus a card catcher program. Since it's free for everyone on your site to use, it should negate the argument from the naysayers who claim that players who use HUDs are somehow cheating against those who don't.

I know this is being discussed in another thread but, as several other posters mentioned please bring back the ability to see who's at a cash table in the lobby before joining, rather than having to open it. This goes along with the same arguments against bots and anonymous tables.
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Old 06-18-2019, 05:16 PM   #53
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Hello, Mike, and welcome!

I'm sure that many BOL players on 2+2 are extremely happy that we finally have a dedicated site forum. I look forward to being able to direct questions and concerns to someone who, I hope, is actually in a position to cut through the red tape and provide answers, plus get problems solved quickly.



I agree. It seems to be slightly shorter than most sites I've played on in my 10 years online, although since the last update I think it's been adjusted upward. Someone suggested making it 30 seconds, but IMO that would slow the game down too much. Adding another 5 sec. would probably make it right, which it appears is what was done.

Rakeback: Yes that would definitely be a positive, and get me playing on your site much more often than I currently do. 15-20% would be great.

Bots: Big, big issue that has caused huge traffic decreases and ruined the reputations of many sites over the years. Please make an effort to do everything possible to get rid of them.

NO ANONYMOUS TABLES!!!!!!: I will never play on any site that has them, not only because bots can't be tracked, but also everything that madmansam said in post #21. The social aspects and relationship building among players are an important part of poker which can't be done online at anonymous tables, since you aren't physically in the same space as your table mates.

I would like to see you add the option (as on virtually every other site I've played on), to save where you prefer to be seated for each table configuration. Such a waste of time to have to click "Sit Here" every time you join a new cash table.

Thank you very much for providing the free HUD, and please continue to do so. I use it all the time, but as a rec player I appreciate not having to spend the (what would be for me) considerable money for something like PTR4 plus a card catcher program. Since it's free for everyone on your site to use, it should negate the argument from the naysayers who claim that players who use HUDs are somehow cheating against those who don't.

I know this is being discussed in another thread but, as several other posters mentioned please bring back the ability to see who's at a cash table in the lobby before joining, rather than having to open it. This goes along with the same arguments against bots and anonymous tables.

Hi pokerannie32,
Thank you for the kind welcome.
Some interesting points to be looking at and making the site better for everybody.
You can ask me any questions you like and I will always do my best to get an answer or solution asap.

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Old 06-18-2019, 05:26 PM   #54
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RE: Timebank

I am actually happy with the length of timebank on BOL. I play on other sites with longer time banks and the game moves sooo much slower. I much prefer things the way they are now.

P.S. I know this is subjective. Just giving my two cents.
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Old 06-20-2019, 05:08 PM   #55
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BetOnline Mike, you guys should push the Boost cash game format hard. As the only U.S. facing site with working non anonymous zoom cash software. It would be a wonderful asset for you guys. Take advantage! Recs and regulars enjoy the format...
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Old 06-20-2019, 05:19 PM   #56
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BetOnline Mike, you guys should push the Boost cash game format hard. As the only U.S. facing site with working non anonymous zoom cash software. It would be a wonderful asset for you guys. Take advantage! Recs and regulars enjoy the format...
+1 the fast fold variant is so convenient. Would be awesome to see some higher stake Boost games going.
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Old 06-20-2019, 09:02 PM   #57
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+1 the fast fold variant is so convenient. Would be awesome to see some higher stake Boost games going.
+2 shame no traffic on them.
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Old 06-20-2019, 11:13 PM   #58
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Hi guys,

I have mentioned this before regarding the boost game, and we are looking into making changes to promote it and get more people involved.
All of your suggestions and comments are being looked into and changes will be sooner rather than later.

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Old 06-21-2019, 02:02 PM   #59
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I have mentioned this before regarding the boost game, and we are looking into making changes to promote it and get more people involved.
All of your suggestions and comments are being looked into and changes will be sooner rather than later.

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Old 06-21-2019, 04:10 PM   #60
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Anonymous games are the worst. It takes the fun out of the game and makes bot detection extremely difficult. I currently put 100% of my volume on BetOnline instead of Bovada for this very reason.
Rake races benefit very few people, so I prefer a small, flat rakeback percentage. Reduced rake for table starters.
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Old 06-22-2019, 12:00 AM   #61
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Games are pretty good minus the constant botting and nitty regs. As a rec, rakeback would be more appealing than BBJ that is essentially half recouped by the site and hits twice a year.

It would be nice to see fast fold poker get moving like it is on Bovada.
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Old 06-23-2019, 05:08 AM   #62
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Hi Bison1000 How are you today?

1) This is being looked at and the time bank will hopefully be ammended to a more acceptable length of time.

2) We have a strict policy regarding bots and similar software, So please send me nicknames privately. That way I will personally forward the names so our fraud team can investigate into these accounts.

Please feel free to share any issues with me or the bet online team.
We are always trying to improve the playing experience for our player base.

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Not good enough, Mike. Answers like this will embarrass you on this forum. Some of us have played hundreds of thousands of hands at Chico network and we have seen every limit get FLOODED with bots.

To say there is at least 1 bot at every table is incorrect. I recently stopped playing and withdrew my money from Chico. There were 4 BOTS at many tables and at least 2, most of the time 3 bots at EVERY TABLE.

Recs know this too and play less. There are other sites that have less issues.

It shouldn't be up to the PLAYERS to inform you of bots. Your security team needs to find ways to fix the root problems.

Stop offering under the table rake back deals. (yes you do don't deny it.)

Put in captcha requirements while at the table.

Every week you should update the software in some small way that prevents the bots from being able to play. I don't know anything about this but common sense says this is totally possible.

Admitting there is or at least previously 50+ bots invading all limits will be a nice first step to letting players like myself that have boycotted your network to consider the impossible notion of putting money back on your bot infested site.

Do you understand the bots have taken Hundreds of Thousands of dollars off the tables from Recs and Regs that are following the rules?
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Old 06-23-2019, 10:44 AM   #63
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Not good enough, Mike. Answers like this will embarrass you on this forum. Some of us have played hundreds of thousands of hands at Chico network and we have seen every limit get FLOODED with bots.

To say there is at least 1 bot at every table is incorrect. I recently stopped playing and withdrew my money from Chico. There were 4 BOTS at many tables and at least 2, most of the time 3 bots at EVERY TABLE.

Recs know this too and play less. There are other sites that have less issues.

It shouldn't be up to the PLAYERS to inform you of bots. Your security team needs to find ways to fix the root problems.

Stop offering under the table rake back deals. (yes you do don't deny it.)

Put in captcha requirements while at the table.

Every week you should update the software in some small way that prevents the bots from being able to play. I don't know anything about this but common sense says this is totally possible.

Admitting there is or at least previously 50+ bots invading all limits will be a nice first step to letting players like myself that have boycotted your network to consider the impossible notion of putting money back on your bot infested site.

Do you understand the bots have taken Hundreds of Thousands of dollars off the tables from Recs and Regs that are following the rules?
Hi pokerNoob,
I do not feel that telling you our policy is embarrassing at all.
I 100% understand your frustration as this seems to be a problem across the online poker world. We are currently one of the safest sites to play on and are actively investing and trying to consistently improve. I believe we were at the same security risk for bots and attacks as poker stars.

Asking for player feedback and assistance is obviously only going to benefit the players and the progress going forwards.
Whilst you openly admit knowing nothing about updating the software, I like you know very little. However I am told that amending things on the software is not so easy and takes time. But I can promise you that we are changing things and making improvements for the better..

I hope you will see that we are doing everything we can to improve all areas.

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The bots and collusion( plo/plo8)issue is so extreme, a rec would never enjoy his decision of making that first deposit, and the chances of him depositing again is slim to none. I know sports bettors on Chico who don’t even casually play poker on there no more because of the bot and collusion problems, recs want to have fun, and of course try to win money, but they DONT wanna be cheated by players and accounts not following the rules.If Chico doesn’t want to stop it due to the rake it generates for them change the rules and T&Cs and no one can complain. But mike don’t just act like the security team is looking in to it, make statements on what action is be taken.
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Old 06-23-2019, 01:27 PM   #65
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The bots and collusion( plo/plo8)issue is so extreme, a rec would never enjoy his decision of making that first deposit, and the chances of him depositing again is slim to none. I know sports bettors on Chico who donít even casually play poker on there no more because of the bot and collusion problems, recs want to have fun, and of course try to win money, but they DONT wanna be cheated by players and accounts not following the rules.If Chico doesnít want to stop it due to the rake it generates for them change the rules and T&Cs and no one can complain. But mike donít just act like the security team is looking in to it, make statements on what action is be taken.
Hi stakepicado, I am not acting like the security team is looking into it, they are actively looking into many accounts and all of these issues. I am not allowed to post everything for obvious reasons. Just be aware that we are one of the best sites for tackling this issue and safety.

I can only tell you that things are being done and as soon as I am allowed to update you guys with progress I will, and I am sure this will be very soon.

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Old 06-23-2019, 03:24 PM   #66
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I do not feel that telling you our policy is embarrassing at all.

It should be. We don't care about your policy. That's like a Judge telling the wife that "Murder is actually illegal", after her Husband was murdered. It literally means nothing, you said nothing by saying it. Bot users don't care about your policy. Cheaters do not care about your policy. So yes, you telling us your policy should 100% embarrass you.

I 100% understand your frustration as this seems to be a problem across the online poker world. We are currently one of the safest sites to play on and are actively investing and trying to consistently improve.

Lmao, it only took you what, over 4 years to even get a public site rep? Please, come on. You are very new here Mike, and this took way too long to happen. Your only job is literally Public Relations. You get paid to sugar coat things. You are literally the same as Sarah Huckabee Sanders.

I believe we were at the same security risk for bots and attacks as poker stars.

No. No. No. You were not. You have 3 or 4 bots PER TABLE. Many of the bots played there for YEARS. d00ble. I could name a dozen more bots by memory. More sugarcoating.

Asking for player feedback and assistance is obviously only going to benefit the players and the progress going forwards.

Not if you only choose to focus on the low hanging fruit. "How is your dinner tonight? Oh the Steak came to you well done when you asked for it Medium Rare? I'm so sorry about that. We are doing everything we can do improve our the food quality. Although we cannot issue you another steak, we can replace your dirty napkins for you at no cost."

Whilst you openly admit knowing nothing about updating the software, (What's the point of putting this in?)

I like you know very little. However I am told that amending things on the software is not so easy and takes time. But I can promise you that we are changing things and making improvements for the better..

Promises. Sugarcoating. No specifics. Just platitudes. No mention of bot issues, just a very milquetoast overall generic answer.


I hope you will see that we are doing everything we can to improve all areas.

Actions speak louder than words. Especially when are dealing with other peoples money. I was a server for 10 years. I would have some customers issue complaints that went far beyond my complaint here over a $1 coffee. Bot issues took hundreds of Thousands from thousands of players.

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Old 06-23-2019, 04:06 PM   #67
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+1 , true that poker noob. Sarah huckabee Sanders tho�� lmao
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Old 06-23-2019, 04:20 PM   #68
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Sugarcoating annoys me. I don't trust anyone who's only job is to get paid to cover up things.
Hi Poker_noob

I can assure you that my job is not to cover things up, nor is it only working on the forum. I am part of a new poker team that is actively trying and working really hard to improve things for our players. We are also asking for feedback in order to listen to our player base and actually change things.

It seems silly to post our exact methods online for the world to see how we are combating this issue.
BetOnline has a strict stance and that the use of Bots on the site is prohibited, therefore all accounts that are found to be using this type of software will be banned.

I have stated that changes will be happening soon and all feedback is welcome.
You are also welcome to message me privately and ask me anything or tell me anything about the issues, maybe send screen shots and stats, like some of our other players.

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Hi Poker_noob

I can assure you that my job is not to cover things up, nor is it only working on the forum. I am part of a new poker team that is actively trying and working really hard to improve things for our players. We are also asking for feedback in order to listen to our player base and actually change things.

It seems silly to post our exact methods online for the world to see how we are combating this issue.
BetOnline has a strict stance and that the use of Bots on the site is prohibited, therefore all accounts that are found to be using this type of software will be banned.

I have stated that changes will be happening soon and all feedback is welcome.
You are also welcome to message me privately and ask me anything or tell me anything about the issues, maybe send screen shots and stats, like some of our other players.

Kind regards

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I sent you a list of 4 bots im sure they wheres bots with data 15 days laters they still there playing 4 tables 12 hours a day.

I sent you a list with 50+ suspected account i did not look with data that im pretty sure they are bots they still are all playing atm....

Plz dont compare your network with pokerstars for proactivity against bot it tilt me so much your not even in the same universe all the tables from nl10 to nl200 have 2+ bots on them. When there is pretty much no bot on PS. Having a strict stance against bot is not enough YOU NEED TO BAN THEM.
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Old 06-23-2019, 10:46 PM   #70
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The community would probly be more comprensive if you tell them the true facts btw aka you dont want bots on the network but you have no clue how to detect them so they wont be ban i can be wrong on this but i highly doubt it plz prove me wrong.
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Old 06-24-2019, 12:59 AM   #71
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Just a note, on pokerstars zoom tables (obviously the fast ones), time bank is 60 seconds which get replenished at some rate over more hands.

30 seconds should be enough for post flop decisions below 100NL

200NL+ you could increase to 60 seconds

Pre flop time bank should be maybe 15 seconds after an initial 10 seconds

There are not too many players at Chico that would be able to use more than 30 seconds in a "thinking manner", rather than just letting time bank run out taking a "gut feeling" so I think 30 sec time bank is fine after an initial 10 seconds post flop (40 total seconds) and 15 seconds pre after an initial 10 seconds (25 total seconds)


A shorter time bank won't really make the games go faster. Because if one specific player wants to time troll after tilting, their time bank will run out and they only get 10 seconds per every later decision. And MOST of the time Regs won't need 30 seconds every decision. It's only on those very tricky situations where someone x/raises you on the river.
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Old 06-24-2019, 07:32 PM   #72
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So I just started playing at BOL in Feb mostly .5-1.0 cash games, How can you tell the diff between a bot and a non bot. I have my suspicians but I have no proof. Just because they play a lot of hands, 3bet a lot etc doesn't mean they are a bot. What stats can I look at that shows why they have to be a bot? thanks
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So I just started playing at BOL in Feb mostly .5-1.0 cash games, How can you tell the diff between a bot and a non bot. I have my suspicians but I have no proof. Just because they play a lot of hands, 3bet a lot etc doesn't mean they are a bot. What stats can I look at that shows why they have to be a bot? thanks
Look at hands in replayer (presuming you have pokertracker, Holdem manager, or some sort of hud). Saw one on reg table at Ignition. Folding AJs, KK, QQ say what? Apparently, trying to get a history for future programming.
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Old 06-24-2019, 09:53 PM   #74
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So I just started playing at BOL in Feb mostly .5-1.0 cash games, How can you tell the diff between a bot and a non bot. I have my suspicians but I have no proof. Just because they play a lot of hands, 3bet a lot etc doesn't mean they are a bot. What stats can I look at that shows why they have to be a bot? thanks
Iíve recently switched to this site and working on my multi tabling with this stake. I have seen some bot looking stuff like the ten cent bets but so far this pool seems very beatable. I am doing quite well bb/100 but in fairness should prob be a stake higher.
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If you'd like any tips on identifying the most commonly found NLHE cash game bots then you can send me a private message. I typically don't post my findings publicly. I don't play PLO cash games, but many of the tendencies are the same based on the posts I've seen from, and also chatting with, some PLO regs. I don't have the experience to help identify them in other game types since I've primarily played NLHE cash games for the last few years.
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