Nobody is going to lodge those 4 letters into their sub-conscious for any extended period of time even if it is one of the few sites they have cashed on.

That's not irony, lodging that word into our view is directly insulting.


Where are the promised table skins and player base? The player base won't come until you stop mentally flipping them off.

"Big Ugly Poker" was my grandfather's name.
Take your hate elsewhere.

Much love for this post

sure, where are the promised table skins and player base?

Pokerstars.net = tens of thousands playing play chips each day.

This site = $.

Why isn't everyone from there now here?

again where are the promised table skins so you're not lodging a BIG insult in my eyeball?


I am not hating, when have I ever expressed my disdain for another individual here?

Someone who would call you an 'ugly' person for getting dealt in online is the individual who is hating.

Listen i'm not here to express my feelings about one or another. I was attempting to be constructive regarding how we can populate this website.

Looking at the large sized letters U G L Y emblazoned on your desktop is going to reduce the player base. Offering the table skins, as was promised months ago, would clearly be making an attempt to increase the player base. Then they wouldn't have someone flipping them off, mentally, just to cash online.

It shouldn't take a marketing expert to realize that. No one is going to look at that for an extended period of time, as they shouldn't. I'm not a bad person, you're not a bad person, though it seems mr. website proprietor would like to call us just that. I'm not a bad person for getting dealt in online mr. website proprietor.

At this point it's an egregious display of weakness to allow them to continue to do that to you. They said a while ago they would provide us with table felts that would foster an increase in this sites poker community. Tattoo one of your own family members sub-conscious.

It certainly seems like they are trying to tattoo my sub-conscious with the phrase 'you are a bad person'.

Apparently you are so full of anger that you missed the obvious playful humor of CoffeeMagic's post, which I think was meant to get you just to dial back a bit, and not as a serious criticism of you personally. Three replies...really?? It gave me a good laugh, which is why I gave it . Don't get me wrong, I'm all for constructive criticism, and posting your disappointment that things are not moving faster on BUP is certainly valid. However, it would probably help your case if you cool down some and lose the defensive attitude.

I agree that Big Ugly Poker isn't the nicest sounding name around, but poker's not really a nice game for nice people, is it ? The name's actually quite smart from a marketing perspective, first because it's extremely memorable, and second, it does have a legitimate (if arguably not very well known) tie-in to the game. I kinda like it because A,Ko is my least favorite hand to play, and I didn't know that was the nickname for it prior to BUP coming online.

I am not full of anger, and coffeemagic telling me to 'go away mr. hatred man' wasn't done in humor.


Poker is a nice game for nice people and any other people we can encourage to get dealt in with us. Posting U G L Y on people's desktops is going to discourage people from connecting to the internet server.

Perfectly stated. :-)

Each person has their own reasons why they play poker and where they choose to play. Winning money is only one of many factors.

Poker Stars (in case you don't know) gives both cash and free chip players access to:

• the world's best online poker software playing experience with the best features
  (which generally runs 99.9% of the time without issues)
• a huge international player pool
• a large variety of games and formats
• high number of tables running 24/7/365.

You can get 15,000 free chips every four hours, plus thousands more from promotions and contests. It can be lots of fun to play with tons more chips than most of us would ever be able to with real money. And make no mistake, while there is definitely quite a bit of fishy play, there are also a surprising amount of very skilled players at the free chip tables, so it's fun and challenging for someone who has some decent poker knowledge. In fact the fish usually just get creamed and quickly lose all their chips, although it's certainly easy enough to get more (or buy more if you must or want to).

Yeah, you can't win money on Poker Stars, but the experience of playing there is top notch. That's why I enjoy it, and have still played there since those of us in the US were able to get back on the site after Black Friday, even if only for free chips. I have kept my long established PS account in the hopes that someday US players will be able to play with the entire player pool (not just geographically segregated pools) for real money again. However, I also play on a couple of cash sites, and on BUP.

Not everyone who plays poker is motivated to play just because they can win money, and if they are, there are definitely places both b & m and online, to win a lot more money in much less time, and with considerably less frustration than playing on BUP.

Even "ugly" can be beautiful...

+1

Same here. I play on Global Poker and on Bovada and on the Chico Network, but I can't stay away from play money at PokerStars because of 7 Card Stud and FLH.

I call the game at Big Ugly Poker "Big Ugly Poker" as though it were a game variant because of the odd adjustments to play and because of the unique cash/tourney hybrid feel. :-)

BUT...I am a bit leery of the place right now because of the weird glitch with recording the minutes played toward the bonus. It makes the place feel a bit abandoned by it's staff. I have only played there since the last third of December. Still watching the point situation in the hopes of jumping back in.

Cool! I play cash on Merge and Chico. Stars is for 8-game, badugi, Stud H/L, and Omaha H/L. Personally, I find playing regular NLHE all the time pretty boring, lol. Love all the great Christmas/New Year's email bonuses we got....over two million chips for me.

I like playing on BUP because it's challenging to change your style to accommodate a different type of playing/player, even though I do get frustrated with it and have to periodically take breaks away. It's also nice to be helping to build something new and different, and be part of it from the get go.

I've been a member since August of last year. I wouldn't worry about too much about the minutes thing. Sometimes these guys are a little slow to respond because there's only a couple of them, but they have previously always addressed those kinds of problems and gotten them taken care of. Come back and play !

Agreed, there can be a number of different reasons a person decides to get dealt in. Those thousands of PS play chip players are going to play for hours on end for 0 dollars. All of those players are getting above zero dollars playing on this web site. It is inconceivable that none of them would make the decision to devote those hours on BUP. To play poker for any other reason than to + the most dollars is a mistake. You're trying to tell me that all of those PS play chip players, who devote hours on end to a $0 dollar poker proposition, would ignore BUP? They are clearly getting + dollars here where they are getting none on PS.net.

I apologize but I have to support that which is attempting to increase the poker community.

It's clear if the players were to be given the ability to see a logo-less felt the server population would see an immediate increase.

Why aren't all of those PS play chip players now cashing on BUP?

I never said that NONE of them would leave to play on BUP. How many would or will do so would take some pretty heavy marketing calculations to predict. Even then it could be way off the mark, plus fairly impossible to measure unless BUP management surveyed each new member when they joined (highly unlikely). I only gave some reasons why I and possibly some of the others who play free on Stars (CoffeeMagic for sure), have made that decision. Without polling each and every one of those players though, I can't say for certain what their personal reasons for playing there might be. Some of them who live in places other than the US may actually be playing for cash as well as free. We simply don't know.

Also, you say these players spend "hours on end" on Stars, but no one but Stars management knows how much time they actually play on the site. I can tell you that I certainly don't spend "hours on end" there, and I'm sure it varies greatly from player to player.


Well, if that's your reason for playing then I'm sorry to break this news to you, but you're definitely on the wrong site . If you can, try and count up the number of hours it takes you to make $10 on BUP. A lot, right? Yeah, it takes a hell of a lot of hours of play to earn 15,000 coins. I can make $10 playing $.05/.10 ring games on Merge or Chico, just playing an hour or two.


Apologize away. However, cannibalizing players from one site to play on another as you're suggesting, does nothing to increase the poker community. Only bringing new players to the game can do that.


Clear?? Exactly what accepted statistical marketing formula did you use to come to this conclusion? Sorry, but your opinion or gut instinct is not a valid basis for calculating the expected effect or time frame that such a change would produce. In actual fact only players who are already members of the site would actually have "the ability to see a logo-less felt", so the chance of this change producing an immediate increase in traffic is clearly.....ZERO.


I infer from this statement that you're suggesting every player on BUP is a winner, and that every PS free chip player who comes to BUP will also be a winner as well? Seriously?? I guess you don't know that the majority of players on any online poker site are losers? Of course in BUP's case, since you don't play with cash you have nothing to "lose", but that certainly doesn't mean that everyone will actually make money playing here. You can just as easily spend "hours on end" on BUP as anywhere else and never achieve the minimum $10 cashout.

Sorry, but your conclusions are as full of holes as a piece of swiss cheese.

Hey, CoffeeMagic, my bad saying I got 2 million free chips from PS. It was 200,000+.
Sry.

aha I just had about 40 minutes of writing deleted responding to annies post after I clicked submit reply.


I'll be brief then.



Please Mr. BUP representative inform us whether or not your site is open to the general public or if only a restricted/limited set of players are allowed to connect.

Or... more succinctly

Is this website open to the general public Mr. BUP representative?

I do have to respond to one of Annie's statements.
Yes that is exactly what I'm suggesting, every player on BUP is a winner, and everyone who would migrate from play chips to BUP will win. It's clear, everyone on BUP is in the black as soon as they have watched just one advertisement.

You can't easily spend "hours on end" on BUP and come away with nothing. You really would have to attempt to lose to gain nothing on this site. Maybe not everyone... but a vast majority who connect here will + $ on BUP. 0 people will + $ betting play chips.

It's my sincere hope that Annie, myself, and everyone getting dealt in has an enjoyable time at the game room.

My suspension of disbelief has been tapped. If this website was open to the public hundreds of freerollers would be here getting their green chip every 6 minutes (worth $0.01~). That's a tool any poker player out there who hasn't yet succeeded and sincerely wants to wouldn't ignore.

Is this website open to the general public Mr. BUP representative?

I forgot to mention Intertops. Ah! Thank you for reminding me about Merge! I have an old account there on Carbon. Cashed it out years ago (I stopped playing poker for years, even "live", and I regret having done that). I should go fund Carbon. :-)

It is. Getting antsy about the delayed bug fix was probably an over reaction on my part.



I'll take your word for it and put in a few hours today.
B.U.P. is usually played on my cellphone, so I can't see the chat, but I will "emoticon smile" if I catch sight of you.

Most likely not. The secret code that we were given to access the site was recently destroyed by our fellow operatives.

CoffeeMagic, you sure have a way with words.

In hopes of ending your diarrhea of posting this absurd question, apparently prompted by my refuting your "clear" prediction if "players were to be given the ability to see a logo-less felt" then the site would see a immediate, immense influx of traffic, let me (sigh) attempt to explain myself. I replied to your definitive statement by pointing out literally that since only current site members would see this change, it would result in no new traffic.

Yes, of course, BUP's site is open to the public. However, to actually open a table on the site (even to observe) in order to be able to see what is imprinted on the felt, one has to first be a site member. So, persons who aren't onsite and also members at the time of any change to the current felt display would not be able to see that change, and could not be stimulated by it to then immediately flock to the site to join.

If in fact at some point management determined that the site's name is a huge factor in people not wanting to play here, in order for any subsequent name change to overcome that issue, the new name would need to be promoted with a complete re-branding campaign of coordinated advertising, marketing, and public relations.

The end, (hopefully).

It isn't in the least an absurd question, knowing whether or not the site is available to the public is vital information any connector should be privy to.


My asking whether or not the site is available to the public wasn't prompted by something you said. Whether or not an 'Ugly' less table felt would help site traffic isn't a concept you refuted. Clearly it's a suggestion, not a prediction, that would likely see at least some new players come here. I did not say 'immense' as you said I did. Who else thinks it would likely help site population?

You nor anyone other than the sites programmers and property owners know the particulars of their sites operation. Coffeemagic said the opposite of your statement here and he knows just as much as we do, nothing. That's why I asked if a BUP rep could fill us in on this point since they do program the site and own the server property.

No answer to my question has come forth, you can spraypaint 'the end' on whatever public media you can get into, it doesn't mean that's the case in the least.

Enjoy getting dealt in at the gameroom.


So... MR BUP REPRESENTATIVE... is this site available to the general public?

If the site isn't open to the public, how were you and I able to get onto it and become members?


Also, in reference to my saying, "the end" in my last post, perhaps it's not for you, but I have decided it is for me. This will be my last comment in this thread.

I'm going to decide not to talk much about this either, I think. I'm not a bad person.

Mr Herrick, you have accomplished the near impossible; you have rendered me speechless.