This weekend I saw talk in table chat of players (jokingly, I thought) making second accounts with names only slightly different from their current account names. Today I have already come across at least one, and probably two of these "new" accounts, the most obvious one being new player mukujin2, apparently a second account of mokujin1. This would seem to be some players' attempt to take matters into their own hands due to management's failure to address the previously posted concerns re chip dumping and multi-accounting on BUP. Evidently the old adage, "If you can't beat em, join em," is being seen as the only way to handle the situation.

I wonder how long it will be before every player on BUP has two or more accounts? If some of them aren't obviously tied name-wise to current accounts, who will even know? And will these accounts be chip dumping to each other?

Why shouldn't they, if management is doing nothing to stop these things from happening? Between these issues and the failure to fix the promotion display in a timely manner (I see it appears to be working today), the site is losing more and more players every day. ATM, I am not sure myself whether I will join the multi-accounting bandwagon, just keep playing as I have, or quit altogether.

BUP management, you need to immediately understand and address the seriousness of these issues to the majority of the player pool who is trying to play on the site legitimately, only to become more and more frustrated at the inability to win against the cheaters while waiting for you to act. Maybe this latest action will finally make you see how desperate the legitimate player base has become due to your continuing failure to deal with security issues raised again and again by multiple players.

hi annie,

mukujin2 is not me. i only have 1 acct on BUP and always have. mukujin2 is most likely a player that i tilted trying to tilt me back. but i just find it funny. jajaja.

moku.

hi my account has been suspended in big ugly poker
and I think it's unfair since I have not done anything illegal or cheating
I would like to know, how can I recover the account?

^^ Post the same message in all the treads, that will work.

Hi, Moku,

My apologies. I did say "apparently" mukujin2 was your account. I couldn't say for sure since I didn't know.

I think it's still important though for management to hear that players are even jokingly talking about doing this, and that someone else apparently did it (maybe to try to get you in trouble) using a name similar to yours, in order for them to perhaps finally understand how big an issue the lack of security on BUP has become. I also hope I made it clear that I can't and don't blame any frustrated, legitimate players who may have thought about, talked about, or taken actions on their own to try to level the playing field against the cheaters, given management's failure to act, and they (management) shouldn't either. Yeah, two wrongs don't make a right, but sometimes you need to try to call attention in a big way to a problem that's not getting solved.

Perhaps try using another account and see if that one works? Just a thought ...

When management told you your account was suspended, they didn't give any reason for it? You need to write them and ask for an explanation, and also if there's a way you can get reinstated. I'm really surprised, since this is the first I've heard of anyone getting their account suspended on this site.

Maybe this is a sign that management is finally trying to do something about security on the site. However, if that's the case it would be helpful if they would at least publicly acknowledge they're addressing the issues we've brought up. They don't even have to go into detail about exactly what they're doing. Just letting us know they're doing something would go a long way toward renewing our confidence that they're actually listening to us and taking action on the security problems we've posted about. Without any communication though, we can only assume that nothing is being done.

He took you seriously . Can't blame a desperate guy who doesn't know any better though, for taking any advice he can get.

Disavow the 'Spanish Speaking Chip Dumping Club' which you are a member of.

Yeah I figured it wasn't you. I think it might be a member of the SSCDC trying to deflect attention.

we are not any club or anything like that, each one of us plays on his own and he wants to win or lose on his own
if I win it's my own merit and if I lose it's still my fault
that we speak the same language does not mean that we are in conspiracy to beat you all
you decide if you want to play, bet and when to retire

I have done it, it also seems more unfair to me that they also suspend the accounts of the people who are my referrals
people who are just beginning to play and have done absolutely nothing wrong

they call me a sinner when they are too

So is new player, caldera1, not the same person as caldera1234, who had his account suspended? This is getting ridiculous .

Sry. The player's name who had his account suspended on BUP is caldera. Evidently caldera1234 is his 2+2 user name.

Aiy carumba .

how would you know how each of you are playing unless your colluding

we just do not know what everyone has
we just play, nothing more.
And if you mean what we talk at the tables, only occasionally do we talk about things that have nothing to do with the letters, such as payments and that kind of thing.


we never tell ourselves what letters we have

The most extreme that we got to tell us is the letter that we were waiting for (which never arrived)
example: oh I was missing a 10 to have a ladder, and things like that

1/20/2019 at 9 am. level 1. mompirri27 and mompirri28. they are multi accting for sure. one person on two different accts that have access to each others hole cards. u would think they would put more of an effort to hide their cheating ways but the cheating is just so blatant. i guess he dosent know what happened to the SSCDC last week.

mompirri27 and mompirri28 are multi acct cheaters.

I just saw them. They are both on my table at the same time....grrr.

I am and .

Now I feel lkie I have to be suspicious of anyone with a similar name to another player. Like is mom also the same person as mompirri27 and mompirri28 ???? There's few more "mom" name variations too, though they've been on the site for awhile. I hate that it's gotten to this point....that we can't play without worrying whether many of the other players are legit.

Never seen anything like this on any poker site. I've played regularly on at least six cash sites, and briefly on NLOP and PurePlay (free chips & ads). Either they don't let players use names similar to existing ones, or people just try to be as creative as possible with their handles. I've never run into any on the same site that were even close to one another.

Ok, BUP management, you made a stand against the SSCDC last week, and removed the most blatant offenders, although it seems like some of them are back with similar names or names that point to the old group (jajaja). You got rid of them, and they shouldn't be allowed back under any circumstances.

Now it's time to get serious about multi-accounters. If players with similar names are proved to be different people (which I don't believe they are, except mojukin1 and mujukin2), the newer player should be forced to choose another name, and going forward new players shouldn't be able to have similar names to established ones. This is totally ridiculous and quickly getting out of control .

We have a new "mom" player, mompisan35. When will the momzation of BUP end ??

It makes me sick to play with mompisan35 and santhiago and their obvious and shameful team play. I've watched their pump and dump amd seen mompisan35 skyrocket up the leaderboard in a way that is impossible without collusion. It takes a true grind to stay competitive on the leaderboard and they're teaming up to take a short cut. Their strategy is to pump in level 1 without concern for which one gets the chips. They then go to higher levels and dump so that mompisan35 can destroy the leaderboard.

Some other players are benefiting from their loose action, while others are suffering collateral damage. For me, it feels too awkward when theyre both at my table. I just cant do it even if it may be tempting to get pumped up by them. Until they're banned, i'm going to TRY to abstain from cash games (hard bc i love to play!).

To management, suggestion: put a warning out there that team play, collusion, chip dumping, and cheating are not allowed and that players will be banned for violations. There seems to be a recurring problem even though I love how u guys cleaned up the site thus far. I am truly grateful for all your efforts and despite the above bull****, i'm still a fan of big ugly poker.

Peace,
Jungernaut

+1, could be skinny n blj under new names or an offshoot of the SSCDC.

After Junger warned me about them last night, I witnessed their blatent chip dumping a number of times today, both by myself and twice with other players, one who took some screenshots. I have made a full report to mgmt, so hopefully we'll see them gone soon. We also told them we're watching, although they didn't seem to care .

Thanks, Junger, for the heads up. Couldn't have done it without ya, man .

I don't know whether skinny and blj collude because I haven't played with them together that much, mostly just with blj. A couple of weeks ago she said in chat that the two of them work together. However, I don't know if they play on BUP at work, work physically near each other enough to talk, or what.

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I think blj's comment was actually that she and skinny "work at the same place", which doesn't necessarily mean they work "together" like I previously posted.

mompisan35 and santhiago continued their chip dumping today, in spite of the fact that a group of us are monitoring for when they conveniently and "can't be coincidentally" appear on an empty level table together at the same time (psychic obviously , NOT).

When someone spots them, the group is alerted and other players will either join the table or observe. This doesn't seem to faze them though. Generally they also amazingly know when to leave at exactly the same time if they decide to save their dumping for later. This is often after one or more of our group of "watchers" sits down at the table. Today, though sometimes one would stay and the other would leave. Not sure the reasoning behind this strategy. If it's to make them look more innocent somehow, guess what....it's not working .

Could they be communicating directly with each other somehow while they're playing on BUP ???? Perhaps ancient alien theorists know the answer to this, but my guess is gonna be yes same as those guys always say, and I sure hope BUP management figures it out really, really soon.

Yep. The chip dumps are super annoying and extremely transparent.

mompisan35 and santhiago doing a bunch of chip dumping between approx. 12:20-12:35PM EST today, and guess who joined them at their last exchange....none other than caldera1. They didn't give caldera1 any of their chips though, whatever that means. I got screen caps of every table they were on, which will be sent to BUP mgmt.

This reallllly is pissing me off big time !!!