It has come to my attention there is alot of cheating/ chip dumping going on this month. There is no way the players in the top 5-7 could get those large chip stacks with almost no play time. i am on the site often and i never see them play, but they have these 30 k plus stacks on the second or 3rd day of the promo. its just the same person just recycling/dumping chips to each other. hey fellow regs, help me out these cheating chip dumping cheaters by posting some proof/ screen shots. players that i suspect are
1. victor1994
2. BLJ21
3. levelpoker
4. geminis15
5. Marcrist
6. Victor
7. jdcr1996
8. the king
9. SkinnyB
10. caldera
11. pausidesg2

Hey Big Ugly,
I got to back up Mok on this one. There is definitely something shady going on. I dont have proof yet, but i actually did observe Victor dump to Victor1994 during the 2nd period of the Dec promo. I clicked on the table as an observer and the dump was blatant. Ive also witnessed these two players sit out and and sit back in during a tournament at the same time. Aother time in a tourney, one of them raised preflop off a big stack and folded to the other short stack jam for a tiny bit more for what was a criminal fold. It would be stupid for someone to have two accounts with the same name, but you never know.
Outside of these two players, i dont have proof. I must say though that i dont understand how some of these players are accumulating these stacks. Ive played with most of the players on the leaderboard for all three periods and at the risk of sounding arrogant, some of their actual playing skill is lacking. There is of course a great deal of luck involved in this big ugly game that we love, but their results are simply not possible without chip dumping and collusion.
The name of Decembers promo is skill and time; it's not chip dumping and time. I love your site. I love how you guys are constantly improving in software. I even love your ironic name. I just hope that you guys can keep the game pure and put a stop to chip dumping. Rewarding both time and skill are great promotions btw and i hope you guys continue to reward your loyal players. In the long term, a site known for chip dumping cant be a good thing.

Sincerely,
Jungernaut
(For love of the game...)

i am in agreement with mokujin. i also have no proof. only suspicions.

both moku and myself (and a few others) who've been around here for awhile have a pretty good sense of what it takes to build stacks that big. we have experience building stacks ourselves. it just seems doubtful that some of those stacks were acquired legitimately in the time frame available. also, some of the plays i've seen were suspect (but sometimes weird plays happen... i get it). but you add up the weird plays, the large stacks in short time frames, who plays with who (and also sit out together when new players join)...

if big ugly takes a look at the play history and deems it all on the up & up, then i will put my suspicions to rest. but as it stands, it smells real fishy.

now then: i've got a fresh bottle of maker's mark, so i'm gonna have to leave it at that for now.

Whiskey drinking whiskey haha. Merry Christmas.

I suspect Victor and victor1994 for sure. I reported the incident but have not heard anything back. Victor started the bet and raised it to 200+, then victor1994 followed in , then I called it. When it came to Victor to bet again he FOLDED. Then Victor1994 kept uping the ante, low and behold he hit the flush on the river. Was one way to get me to put all my chips in, since I was already dug in with such a large ante to start with. These Victors come to tables and clear everyone out. I suspect they Know the cards ahead of time too!

Merry Christmas to ALL!

Yeah I've posted about this and I've stopped playing on the site because of this. In other news I've yet to receive a Paypal cashout from last Monday. I hope the 2 aren't related.

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If I may add my two cents.



First off, my not-so-extensive understanding of poker etiquette is that to call a fellow player (or players) a cheater is akin to being identified as a Trump supporter working at your local Starbucks.



So, for sake of argument, let me share a story that while at face value may arouse suspicions, also inspires me to play with more gusto and to abandon any fear of losing.



Christmas Eve afternoon, I logged in hoping to find our fearless friends—there is a distinct set of names—who like to raise “all-in” almost every hand. Mind you, this only happens when they are playing within their own little group. Check it out some time as an observer – best time to catch the shenanigans is early in the morning USA Eastern Time. Two six off-suit? All-in for 900 chips. With the other players all following suit. And all with basically nothing, card-wise. (Disclaimer: I have done this myself with an opening stack of 25 or 50 chips; but for the group in question I am talking “all-in” every hand with stacks of 400, 500 or 900, etc.)



On the day in question, I had a stack of maybe 800 chips and saw two players (or maybe it was just one) on Level 5 or 6. “Caldera” and “jdcr1996” were locked in battle. When I arrived, “Caldera” had about 7K in chips.



FYI – this was around 8 hands before hand #000000500703.



It was odd, though. They didn't seem to want to let me play. As soon as I arrived they both disappeared. A few minutes after I logged off they both reappeared and start going all in every hand, with basically nothing, card-wise.



Hoping to snag some of this loose play, I came in again and they both left again. I figured maybe it was like the game at the Aria’s Ivey Room – you needed a text from Bobby Bellande to be able to play.



Anyway, to cut to the chase – I then logged in just as an observer and watched as “Caldera” went from 7K in chips to 29K in chips – in under two minutes.



Was fearless play! Every hand was “all-in with nothing” between these two titans of the game. When one account of “jdcr1996” would bust out, another one with a substantial chip count would magically reappear and continue to call the all-ins, with neither player having a legitimate hand.



Oh, if only I could master the game in such a way.



I have to admire the friendship between “Caldera” and “jdcr1996” – it is very similar to the camaraderie between “Victor” and “geminis 15” or “Marcrist” and “pausidsg2” or “SkinnyB” and “BLJ21” – these people always seem to play together. They even go on breaks together (missing the blinds and then sitting back in simultaneously) when playing in the tournaments.



Who knows, maybe “Gene 1967” will show up on the site and become my new best friend?

Yep. Agreed. The chip dumping is rampant. Again, I have no proof but the same players will be playing and then as soon as I sit, the game breaks only to re-start when I leave. Then I sit, and they leave.

They have started playing in Levels above 1 because of the higher chips (I can't see which level because my stacks are 52k, 50, 50, 50).

I played a tourney with Victor and Victor1994 or whatever at the same table and I would love to see an IP check on those two.

The chip dumping is just so obv. I pretty much stopped playing except the tournaments with the hope I don't get teamed up on too bad.

"DDVic" has got nothing to do with the other "Victor"s. I'm always kind nervous when I sit down .

vaya vaya. los q tienen el descaro de comentar mal de los demás jugadores. pero ellos juegan juntos "MOKUJIN1 y JUNGERNAUT3" y hacen lo q se conoce como rueda de pez . entran solo a quitarte las fichas y salen huyendo y cuando pierden lloran. Normal me quitaron una pero los espero en las siguientes. Tengan un poquito de moral descarados no es la primera ves q lo hacen ya a varios usuarios se la han hecho, con capture y todo.

es la única forma de que ganen jugando los 2, vergüenza debería darles hacen un post y son los primeros q hacen trampa.

go go those who have the nerve to comment badly on the other players. but they play together "MOKUJIN1 and JUNGERNAUT3" and do what is known as the fish wheel. they enter only to take away the chips and they run away and when they lose they cry. Normal they removed one but I wait for them in the following ones. Have a bit of cheeky morals is not the first time you do it and several users have done it, with capture and everything.

is the only way to win playing the 2, shame should give them a post and are the first to cheat.

Hey Levelpoker,

I dont understand what you're saying. You and I played last night and the cards happened to run my way...fair and square. I saw that I was at the top of the leaderboard and it was a good decision to quit at that point. Sorry if you interpreted it as a hit and run. Im always down to battle.

Cry or complain when I lose...never. I thought Gemenis15 was a bad player and then he busted me twice for 5k and rather than complain, my hats off to him. Respect.

I did just witness a dump bw you and Victor1994. Victor1994 used his big stacked entry that is not applicable to the current/3rd period promotion to pump you up from 18k to 58k. Then you dumped back to him on his entry that is applicable to pump him up from 32k to 40k. You guys have now passed me up sitting #1 and #2 on the leaderboard with 50k and 40k to my 34k. I climbed the ranks legitimately. Sucks to see you guys cheat.

It would be nice for the guys behind Big Ugly to step up and do something about the chip dumping madness that makes competing for skill based leaderboards nearly impossible. At this point, ill just hope to hold on somewhere in the top 10, but even thats not a sure thing with more chip dumping coming our way.

Big ugly is a free to play site. Im grateful for the priviledge to play the game i love. Hopefully i can continue to play here. Maybe not. In the end, i ain't mad atcha. Peace. Happy New Year!

Sincerely,
Jungernaut

+1

I would also like to apologize to Joshua Herrick for lumping him in with this team of chip dumpers. I now realize I was wrong.

However I was not wrong about the others. What junger described happening btw level and victor I have seen btw other members of this team. If you look at the top 10 for this promo period I think 8 are a part of this team. I stopped playing after the first Dec promo period after I finished 4th behind 3 members of the 'All Spanish Speaking chip dumping squad ' (or is that just a coincidence ? lol)

The problem is BUP has a dilemma. If they ban these players that's like half their player base. But their are also players like me who have stopped playing because of this chip dumping team. So what do they do?

mala mia... asi como entre tu y mokujim me quitaron 20000 fichas ayer hoy recupere mi lugar ganandole a varios usuarios del juego. Y no me quejo xq me ganaste ayer si no x la doble moral q crean estos post y entran juntos a jugar para rebajar fichas al resto. Es absurdo q digas q tu me viste hoy cuando estaba jugando con el otro usuario y casualidad el q entro como observador fue mokujim, x lo menos tengan realismo para hacer las cosas, horita hablan del volcado de fichas, q van a decir del siguiente promoción de enero q BUP nos regala las fichas o q tiene preferencia con nosotros, EL POKER ES UN JUEGO DE GANAR Y PERDER, juegas con 52 cartas, "no solo con par de AA", ademas suerte, destreza y habilidad,...... en el poker aunq deberia ser tomado como trampa es permitido tanto ir ALL, jugar con pilas mayores, blofear, pasar agachado, y esperar par de AA. Así como celebran cuando ganan también acepten sus derrotas, FELIZ NAVIDAD Y FELIZ AÑO NUEVO "los q comenzaron el problema fueron ustedes" tranquilamente en un mano se puede solucionar, pero ustedes sacaron uno lista donde nombraron a la mayoria de jugadores donde estoy incluido.


bad mine ... as well as between you and mokujim they took away 20,000 chips yesterday today recover my place by winning several users of the game. And I'm not complaining xq you won me yesterday if not x double standards that create these post and come together to play to reduce chips to the rest. It's absurd q you say you saw me today when I was playing with the other user and coincidence that I enter as an observer was mokujim, at least they have realism to do things, they talk about the overturning of chips, they will say the next promotion January q BUP gives us the chips or has preference with us, THE POKER IS A GAME OF WINNING AND LOSING, you play with 52 cards, "not only with AA pair", also luck, dexterity and ability, ..... In poker aunq should be taken as a trap it is allowed to go ALL, play with bigger batteries, bluff, crouch, and wait for AA. Just as they celebrate when they win they also accept their defeats, MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR "those who started the problem were you" quietly in one hand can be solved, but you drew a list where they named the majority of players where I am included.

Levelpoker,

Not sure what you're trying to say...maybe that poker is a complex and beautiful game?...none of which justifies chip dumping and collusion and destroying the integrity of both the game of poker and big ugly's promotion.

I see what i see:
2pm (eastern time) - levelpoker dumps 4800 to Marcrist to pump Marcrist up to 35900 and I drop to #4 on the leaderboard.
No doubt i'll be dropping further before the day is done.

I dont know for sure whos legit and whos dumping, but im sure the guys behind big ugly can figure it out. Out of the current top 10, i know whiskey is legit.

Levelpoker, if ur legit and theres absolutely zero dumping or collusion going on, then i apologize for accusing you. If you are not legit, then it is what it is. Ill still continue to battle with u and everybody else at the poker table. Battling on two plus two with words...not my game. So ill stop posting in this thread regardless of further developments. I truly wish you and everybody reading this a Happy New Year. Enjoying life and partying tonight > fighting about big ugly poker.

Peace,
Jungernaut

Btw, re: my relationship with mokujin, there is nothing there. Ive battled with him before, have respect for his game, and backed him up in this thread. I dont know who he/she is. Im a lone wolf on big ugly!

i watched this as well. certainly appeared to be bringing in chips from dead stacks (from a promo perspective) to pump up live stacks. the movement from victor1994's dead stack to levelpoker's stack appeared to end with hand #515620 (not exactly sure when it started).

then with hand #515634 (or thereabouts) victor1994 comes in with a live stack and they adjust accordingly to take the top two spots. ending the maneuver with hand #515690.

with all the added scrutiny lately, they were wise to not just sit out when mokujin showed up for a few hands (in the past, that is exactly what they would do). (moku was at the table from hand #515637 to hand #515653).

they have been more careful lately to make it look like a real battle (instead of just constant "all-in" madness). but even so, there is an oddness to it.

i concede that this could all be a case of wild conspiracies and sour grapes, but that is how it appears. BUP stepping in to investigate and report could go a long way to alleviating concerns.

if the accused are doing something, but it is technically within the rules... that is worth knowing too. that way we can all form our own little chip-sharing circles. but that really changes the game from poker to something else.

thank you for your efforts, BUP! really enjoy the site.

hey DDVic... don't worry about it. please jump in the game anytime! you don't fit the profile of suspects. :^)

hey BUP!... look at you! growing pains.
:^)

levelpoker's first post on this thread is not even about him (post #10). yet he is very defensive. color me suspicious.

it is NYE, and (surprise) i'm drunk. but that does not make me wrong.

la misma pregunta me hago yo wiski, como subiste de la noche a la mañana al 6 lugar?

sinceramente yo el poco tiempo libre q tengo lo utilizo en la pagina para jugar en una mesa y medirme con otros usuarios, no para estar observando. como observador cualquiera habla pero estar jugando es otra cosa, contigo poco he jugado... Si te he quitado fichas nadie te obliga a ir, como lo mencione anteriormente el poker es un juego de ganar y perder, no me considero un jugador de categoria xq si lo fuera estuviera en las vegas en un casino, pero si se q hay q aceptar cuando se gana y cuando se pierde también.

Tu al igual q otros usuarios q comentaron este post hablan de los demás jugadores sobre todo los q estamos en ranking o hemos estado anteriormente, y q extraño pero a ti otros usuarios te relaciones con una cuenta llamada CHAP, jugando de una manera muy peculear para subir lugares. Q diran de la promoción de enero q la pagina tiene preferencia con los usuarios q ganan.

De BUP, me parece una excelente pagina, muy buena.

Feliz navidad y Prospero año nuevo para tod@s incluyendo los q comentaron el post, Dios les vendiga, al igual q el usuario junger sera mi ultimo comentario ya q seria seguirles la corriente y me parece un post muy de niños y muy envidioso. en una mesa de poker, seria excelente.

actually i was at 5th. got bumped to 8th. and with no play on my part, somehow advanced back to 6th. overly ambitious players between (i assume). i welcome any investigation of my play.

as for you (levelpoker), i don't know. and i hate to accuse. i just know how things look. and i have extensive experience in these things. (though admittedly, mostly in other games)

you mention that poker is a game of winning and losing. i agree. but it is winning and losing as an individual (every man for himself), not winning as a team. that is totally against the spirit of the game.

either way... i sincerely wish the best for you. not just in the new year, but forever.

be well.

Jungernaut is pretty much spot on here. I still play on here (my sn is the name of the forum we are posting on) because it's free and it's more fun than wasting time with Candy Crush or whatever but these chip dumps are really making the games tough to play. I gave up on the promos this month simply because of that.

hola primero que todo les deseo un feliz año a todos lleno de bendiciones

Solo quiero decir que me parece absurdo lo que dicen del grupo de los habla hispana ya que dicen que solo jugamos para quitarles las fichas a todos los demas que somos un equipo y nos ayudamos entre el grupo, pues no estan equivocados, cada quien juega individualmente y ninguno es equipo con nadie
hay algunos que somos del mismo pais incluso de la misma ciudad sin embargo cada quien juega por su cuenta
no me interesa lo que digan de que hacemos trampa por que esto simplemente es suerte, si salen las cartas correctas para que puedas ganar y saber en que momento apostar y retirarte, fin del juego.
hacen acusaciones absurdas sobre que saben ya que cartas saldran o cosas asi y repito es absurdo :Rodar los ojos:

yo tambien veo absurdo que se lleguen a pilas tan altas de fichas pero no me rindo solo sigo jugando y trato de ser mejor
deberian hacer eso en vez de solo sentarse a escribir y hacer acusaciones absurdas

btw: jdcr1996 es mi hermano menor #HeaterGonaHate
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hello first of all I wish a happy year to all full of blessings

I just want to say that I think it's absurd what they say about the Spanish speaking group and they say that we only play to take away the chips from everyone else, we are a team and we help each other, because we are not wrong, everyone plays individually and none is team with anyone
There are some of us who are in the same country.
I do not care what we say cheating because this is just luck, if the right cards come out so you can win and know when to bet and withdraw, end of the game.
make absurd accusations about who knows what letters will come out or things like that and I repeat it is absurd :Rodar los ojos:

I also see it absurd that they reach such high stacks of chips but I do not give up just keep playing and try to be better
they should do that instead of just sitting down and writing absurd accusations

btw: jdcr1996 is my younger brother #HeaterGonaHate

are huds allowed?

If you really think using a HUD would be of any value on this site at this stage of its development, GL .


BTW, not the right thread for this question. Probably should post in the "Welcome" thread.

It seems that now that the "cheating chip dumpers" are aware that they've been exposed and everyone is onto their scamming, this month they mostly appear to be busily trying to slog their way out of the crowded, low level muck along with the rest of us. I've actually witnessed some decently played poker happening , as those who've previously been bluffing and aggro bullying their way to the top are finding that the old ways are no longer working as well as they once did (although God knows, they still try anyway ;-p ).

Sry. When I posted this I wasn't aware that cashouts would be counted cumulatively, and thought everyone would be building large chip stacks as they did last month. So since we can't even see who's cashed out for what amount because the leaderboard isn't working, I rescind my "assumption" that chip dumping has ceased. It may have just gone underground and unseen, due to the nature of this month's promo.