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Originally Posted by Jwconrad
Robert's Rules of Poker state that the last player to take aggressive action by a bet or raise is the first to show the hand—unless everyone checks (or is all-in) on the last round of betting, then the first player to the left of the dealer button is the first to show the hand.
It seems that online poker doesn't follow Robert's Rules on the issue we are discussing.
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Originally Posted by Jwconrad
The only time auto muck comes into play is if a hand has been tabled (shown) and subsequent players see that they are beat, they can show or muck their hand.
Of course if you bet or raise and are not called then you can show your hand if you wish. With auto muck set, you don't get to choose.
I believe you really do understand auto-muck, but you seem to be contradicting yourself. I think it's just that your wording is a bit confusing, but it's a pretty confusing topic. Your last sentence is correct. As long as auto-muck is set, you NEVER get to choose whether to show or muck; the computer does it for you, since it can see all the hands. That's why it's called auto-muck. If you want choose whether to muck or show on every hand, don't turn auto-muck on. Without auto-muck on, Merge and some other sites will even let you choose to show only one of your hole cards if you wish.
I'm hoping my explanation will help everyone who doesn't already understand, see how this works. I think it's somewhat complicated, and I had never really fully gotten it until now.
Here's how online hand showing is done, at least on Merge, where the hand histories number the sequence of events and tell whether the hands were shown or mucked. I believe it works the same on other sites as well, but their hand histories aren't as detailed as Merge's. Maybe it doesn't work that way on BUP though, at least not on the hand you originally described. Based on what I've found out, it does appear that the other player's hand should have been shown first since you were on the button.
The order in which the online players' hands are shown follows the regular betting order, no matter whether a bet was made on the river or not.
If two players are in the hand, and the first player to the left of the dealer is the loser or it's a tie, his hand is shown (auto-muck on or not). Then the winner's hand is shown (auto-muck on or not).
If the first player to the left of the dealer is the winner, his hand is shown (auto-muck on or not). Any other players' hands will be mucked if they have auto-muck on (unless it's a tie, in which case it will be shown). If auto-muck isn't on, they can choose to show or not.
In a hand with three (or more) players, if the first player to the left of the dealer is a loser or it's a tie, his hand is shown (auto-muck on or not). Other players' hands beat by the first player and prior to the winning hand being shown, are auto-mucked if on, or if not, are given the choice of showing or not. The winner's hand is shown (auto-muck on or not). Any player whose position puts him after the winner is shown will have his hand auto-mucked if on, or if not, can choose to whether to show.
If everyone folds to you and you have auto-muck on, your hand won't be shown. If not, you can choose what to do.
I'm happy that we have the computer to figure out these things for us, probably because I'm somewhat lazy, lol. Makes it easier and the game go a lot faster. Harder to figure out what's actually going on sometimes though, because things do move so quickly (at least on sites other than BUP
). It's even harder after playing mostly online, to go and play live and have to figure out yourself a lot of the things that you're used to the computer doing for you.
Last edited by PokerAnnie32; 01-22-2019 at 07:53 PM.