I don't think that would be acceptable to prospective advertisers.

I think you may be right that the top players won't win that much each, on average. It might be 80% of that? Thank you - I'll check my figures later today.

I've changed my figures for ease of calculations, (and I am not saying this will be what will happen - but I think it's a reasonable general indicator).

I've used the common "80/20 rule" as "20% of players will win 80% of the money", and changed down from 1000 players to 625 players playing for 1000 hours each.

Therefore, "250,000 chips per hour means the advertisers are adding $75 per hour into the players' kitty, $75,000 per year" changes to "156,250 chips per hour means the advertisers are adding $46.875 per hour into the players' kitty, $46,875 per year".

That might mean those 625 players win an average of $75 per year each for their 1000 hours each, or an average 7.5 cents per hour each.

Using the 80/20 rule, as above, that might mean the 125 top winners will win an average of 30 cents per hour each, or $300 per year each, and the other 500 players will win an average of $18.75 per year each.

That might mean the top 25 of those 125 winners will win an average of $1200 per year each, and the other 100 will win an average of $75 each.

That might mean the top 5 of those 25 winners will win an average of $4800 per year each, and the other 20 will win an average of $300 each.

That might mean the top winner of those 5 winners will win an average of $19,200 per year, and the other 4 will win an average of $1200 each.

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Check of 625 players playing for 1000 hours each:

1 player might win $19,200 ave per year. (Top 0.16%)
4 players might win $1,200 ave per year. (Top 0.80%)
20 players might win $300 ave per year. (Top 4.00%)
100 players might win $75 ave per year. (Top 20.00%)
500 players might win $18.75 ave per year.
$19,200 + $4,800 + $6000 + $7,500 + $9,375 = $46,875

e&oe

+1

A suggestion for BUP:

To be fairer and more appealing to your existing and potential advertisers, and to give them a better chance of selling to a market that probably isn't too interested in watching ads at the time of their transmission, rather than the ads closing after a few seconds, once the "X" is clicked, why not instead just minimise the ads upon clicking the X, (say, in the centre area of the table; perhaps even draggable to suit each seated player's own preference of placement), but have them play out?

Other advertisers with longer ads might even see this as worthwhile for them, too, whereas, at this time, probably only those who can give out their messages within about 20 seconds at most see much value in paying for them time and again.

The ability to click the [X] and close the ad is particular to our current ad provider, who we're not too fond of. In the long run (or even the short run) they won't be able to sustain our business. However we can't engage with the big advertisers until our traffic increases.

To wit, our current ad provider's SSL cert expired this morning, so we had to disable ads in the interim.

Once we find a correct ad solution, ads will play for their full duration (<25 sec) with no option to close the ad early.

LOL Shady site IMHO

Also, when you get your security right, could you please have a page with a list of all the MAers and third party (or other) program runners please? Especially TwoPlusTwo forum members regardless their post count

Could you also list all programs that were/are being used please? Like for instance, if you were capable enough to identify a program like win.32/odlanor or whatever it is... I think it would serve the community well to release that information as quickly as it is obtained.


Thanks..be back when you get your **** straight..maybe


Also also, who lets employees compete for points against their own client base in a progressive promo??

Thank you for your opinion. Being around the poker world for many years it easy to understand some skepticism when you first try a new site. But since you can't send us anything and we are eager to give players something, its kind of like calling Santa Claus shady because the neighbor kid lied about have a brother and wrote two letters.

As far as employees playing, we played at first to meet and greet new players. Now we have some great ambassador's that do it for us and we are playing much less. All the progressive promo's have leader boards and for the August PnG promo the top employee is Dean with c279 which he did to test the leader board.

Hopefully you do check back with us, I remember seeing you in games and you were a good player.

Edge doesn't allow resizing in my experience. I'd like to use edge if i could.

Ads don't have sound for me however i'm sure you all will be addressing that.

Feature request: If you could get the browsers to pop-up upon the beginning of the users turn, it would definitely add to the experience.

Also it seems that when the dealer announces the winning hand, the description for a straight flush doesn't appear. It looks like:

PlayerName wins the pot (4) with

without the straight flush text at the end of the statement. I've seen that twice now.

Feature Request: If you could add an info function to the chat box it would be helpful. In particular I was thinking to an active table list for the PnG that could display the number of tables active for each level.

Ouch

There's a full tournament info section under the tournament. Just expand by clicking the triangle to the left of the contest row in the lobby.

Yes, I brought it up because I thought it might be a useful feature to browse that info in the chat box. It would allow you to see what tables are in play without manipulating your windows. Thank you guys for dealing us in!

I just joined the site today and ran into this same issue on the Play and Go. I have 596 chips so far. When trying to Resume, the "choose a level" list starts at Level 2. Before checking here, I sent you a message about this problem first via the Help Center messaging, and another one that said the "Done" button on the message page doesn't work. I'm using Firefox if that matters.

Just wanted to let you know that there's no need to answer (for me anyway) about why players are restricted from resuming at Level 1 after they have 500 chips, as I've gotten the answer from reading the other threads in the BUP forum. However, it would be helpful to explain it somewhere on the website, like in the PNG main info and also maybe in the FAQ. Now that I've read all about it, it makes perfect sense, but previously I hadn't seen it written anywhere on the website.

What makes it confusing is that players can stay at Level 1 even after they have more than 500 chips. I guess they can keep accruing them as long as they don't leave the table, or is there a number of chips at which point they get booted? Right now I've been playing Level 1 for a few hours and have 929 chips. I plan to stay until I get about 1,100, then I'll leave & cash out, so I have a small stack to restart with.

Ok, I just got to 1,000 chips and was moved to Level 2, so that is good that you've already taken care of that part I see .

buttfracker posted this in the BUP Wish List thread:
The game doesn't pause, nor should it, when people are watching ads. If you only have a few seconds to act and you start watching an ad your hand will be folded. Even playing heads up I haven't had the problem of watching ads/timing out. If they start pausing games while players are watching ads then its game over for BUP.

I've re-posted what buttfracker wrote because I think I may have found a bug, if what he said is the way things are supposed to be working. Or are you trying out what one of the BUP guys mentioned about not running ads in heads up? If so, that would explain what happened to me this morning.

I was playing Heads Up on Level 2. Every once in awhile when it was the other player's turn Pre-Flop, his box would turn yellow for awhile, and then a message would come up in Chat that said, "Hand cancelled". I only found out how to turn the Dealer chat on after I was finished with that session, so I'm not sure whether that would have helped me figure it out or not. Then the next hand would start and play as it should. I finally figured out that he must be timing out because of watching ads, either because he didn't know to manually run them or they were taking too long for him or something. It was kind of early in the morning and I wasn't really too awake, so it took me awhile to catch onto it, lol. Anyway, every time that happened, the hand was cancelled and I did not win any chips, which I would have if his hand had been folded. I was able to watch my ads without missing any action, so no hands were cancelled on my account.

It seems fair that the game should go on, and that players should just have learn to figure out when to watch their ads without causing them to miss out on their action. It's pretty easy to deal with for me right now because I'm not getting any actual ads, only the black screen, which doesn't last very long...maybe 10 sec. However, I think it will be much more challenging when we start having 30 sec. ads that we have to watch for the full length, and it may take some time and practice to be able to get it right.

Will the time to act still be as long as it is now? Can you tell us how much time each player is given to act? It seems like it's much longer than what you get on other online sites, but I guess it needs to be in order to allow time for the ad watching. There seems to be a 15 sec. overtime clock that counts down after the initial time has run out, but I have no idea what the initial time is either on BUP or on other sites.

In case it matters, I'm running Windows 10 and Firefox.

You remember who playing in games?

Also, hidIng leaderboard points is shady IMHO...(will be posting in appropriate thread?)

Especially when dude Jonathan is Jungleman pwning fools..2nd in last nights 9pm..

B2B wins tonight..9 and 10 pm...

Who is to say the teams/shady people arent associated with the site?

EDIT:

apparently there are some posts that were deleted that still show up in google search?

double edit:

nevermind

You have 15 seconds before a warning sounds. Then another 15 seconds after that. 30 seconds in total.

umm I just wanted to reference a particular conversation I had with tommyBUP and threebanger on your site I had about an hour ago. They were talking about cheaters and chip dumping and in response I wanted to make sure everyone knew I had created two accounts so I wasn't somehow being dishonest. Again I want to state I created acct: shredder in july and acct: Joshua Herrick in august. They then proclaimed I am a cheater for some time at the tables until I started cursing and I am sorry for that. No need to get mad. Again I just want to reference this here because they proclaimed they are going to ask you guys (the site devs) to remove me for cheating.

I'm not here to break the rules. If one is not allowed to have more than one account please delete the shredder acct and I will not be creating a third account.

And you two (tommyBUP and threebanger) ask these guys if Shredder or Joshua Herrick ever played at the same table. I already know the answer. It's NO because I DON'T CHEAT.

Thank you for fessing up. Having multiple accounts is against our terms of service, so we're going to elect a special counsel and dig up dirt on any crimes you may have committed in the past 20 years so as to put pressure on you to rollover on TommyBUP and give up whatever secrets you may be harboring on him!

Well, maybe we'll let it slide this time since you were so forthcoming about it.

For the record, I can confirm that not only did shredder and Joshua Herrick never play at the same table at the same time, but since the Joshua Herrick account was created, shredder has not played at all. We can definitively rule out collusion between those two accounts, however we're still investigating any possible Russian collusion with these two accounts. (Even though we have no evidence to support this theory, we expect this ongoing investigation to take at least two years -- stay tuned for findings some time in 2020).

Also, please keep in mind this is a friendly site. Please keep your table talk friendly. Even if anyone were suspected of cheating, there's no need to escalate it in chat. Simply drop us a note in our message center under your user account.

If players are not losing chips when they time out and they're in a blind then that is definitely a bug. I think.

My emphasis added to last line above.

Aug 16 I wrote to BigUglyPoker support about Joshua Herrick. Their response:

Aug 17 I reported to support that I thought Joshua Herrick was same user as Shredder (aka Shredderrr).

Their response:

Aug 20 I reported to support more evidence that Joshua Herrick was same user as Shredder, including that Shredder seemed to stop playing on August 10 (while in FOURTH place in the monthlong contest) and that Joshua Herrick account was created on August 10.

Their response:

Aug 23, 1 AM CDT, I'm sitting at a table with Joshua Herrick and 4 other players. I chat something like, "I'm tired of multiaccounters."

I then chat, "I suspect someone at this table is a multiaccounter."

Josh now confesses:

Others chime in regarding the end of the July contest with 3 minutes left with regards to Shredder. There apparently was some controversy. I was not there in July and did not witness it so I will not comment further on that.

Josh thinks having multiple accounts is not cheating.

Josh admits to having multiple accounts on other sites like it's no big deal.

Josh thinks there should now be no punishment because,

Yes, he wrote those words in chat.

BigUglyPoker support can tell you I've been supportive of them by giving them many comments regarding bugs and issues in their software over the past 2 weeks during their beta testing. I've also promoted their site in the chat at another poker site as well.

I've been told by BigUglyPoker support and others at the table to remain silent while sitting at the tables with cheaters. I was silent in chat for an entire week regarding Joshua Herrick, but now it's been revealed on 2+2 and the response is to poke fun at TommyBUP and laugh it off as no big deal and we are a fun site.

Conclusion:

The site BigUglyPoker cannot automatically catch multiaccounters or chipdumpers, and when presented with evidence of such, does nothing about it. When the multiaccounter confesses, he is not punished. The last time I looked he was in THIRD place in their monthlong contest which awards $100 to first place (in addition to the coins earned), and awards prizes through 10th place. Recently I (TommyBUP) was in fourth place.

BigUglyPoker needs to seriously consider GAME INTEGRITY with their site.

Congratulations BigUglyPoker, you've just lost one poker player.

Tommy2+2 (aka TommyBUP)

I didn't cheat buddy they looked it up if you read dean's post.

Again I thought I could change my name and the fact that I did helped you in the monthly race. Indeed changing my name clearly is creating multiple accounts which violates their TOC and they could ban me if they like. I posted it here with all the information I could as soon as I realized I might have broken their rules. I won't be creating another account.

However I didn't use the two accounts in unison to cheat unlike your assertion.

Don't leave because you say i'm a cheater, I did not cheat. That's been clearly displayed since our conversation last night. Better yet don't leave at all because you aren't being cheated.

I will confirm again... at no point were shredder and Joshua Herrick accounts being used concurrently so there's no way that chip dumping occurred between these two accounts.