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ACR accuses me of fraud and confiscates my money ACR accuses me of fraud and confiscates my money

02-14-2021 , 10:11 PM
I have been playing on ACR for a few years, mostly low stake tourneys with some cash mixed in. I wanted to reload a couple weeks ago using BTC. Alas I don't deposit much (sick brag) so in the process of depositing BTC I accidentally shipped the amount in mBTC. Instead of the $500 I meant to deposit I shipped essentially $0.50. I realized my error almost immediately, furiously looked to cancel (which of course I could not). So instead I repeated the deposit process and sent another $500 using the correct conversion this time.

When I logged in a few minutes later I was surprised that my balance was +$1000. I figured that they would eventually come back around and fix their error and my balance would be adjusted. I didn't play into the "bonus" money at all.

What they have done instead is close my account permanently, accuse me of "fraud" and refuse to return my remaining balance. My email exchange with support has been predictably useless. Some have suggested to hit them up on Twitter but @ACR_POKER doesn't accept DMs.

If anyone has any tips on how to get this escalated, please let me know. Otherwise maybe it's a hard lesson for me and another data point to the 2+2 community about how much this room cares about its players.
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02-14-2021 , 10:20 PM
Did you notify them of the error once the extra money was credited? If not, I can see why they might assume fraudulent intentions.
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02-14-2021 , 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Did you notify them of the error once the extra money was credited? If not, I can see why they might assume fraudulent intentions.
I did not. I probably should have in retrospect. I think the second deposit I sent through 15 minutes later speaks to my intentions though.
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02-15-2021 , 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by b-komplex
I have been playing on ACR for a few years, mostly low stake tourneys with some cash mixed in. I wanted to reload a couple weeks ago using BTC. Alas I don't deposit much (sick brag) so in the process of depositing BTC I accidentally shipped the amount in mBTC. Instead of the $500 I meant to deposit I shipped essentially $0.50. I realized my error almost immediately, furiously looked to cancel (which of course I could not). So instead I repeated the deposit process and sent another $500 using the correct conversion this time.

When I logged in a few minutes later I was surprised that my balance was +$1000. I figured that they would eventually come back around and fix their error and my balance would be adjusted. I didn't play into the "bonus" money at all.

What they have done instead is close my account permanently, accuse me of "fraud" and refuse to return my remaining balance. My email exchange with support has been predictably useless. Some have suggested to hit them up on Twitter but @ACR_POKER doesn't accept DMs.

If anyone has any tips on how to get this escalated, please let me know. Otherwise maybe it's a hard lesson for me and another data point to the 2+2 community about how much this room cares about its players.
You have to ask them on Twitter to follow you and then you can DM them. They respond quickly through dms but don’t really fix much. Email is the way to go but their will be a few day delay in between emails.
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02-15-2021 , 07:37 AM
how did you manage to send in mbtc just take off like two 00? genuinely curious when they send you the address and the amount to send in BTC and most wallets usually it gives the $ amount next to it before sending

what method did you use to send? i assume you dont use btc much?

when you made the second deposit i assume you go through the client again and made another deposit?

i wouldnt of done anything till the first deposit is dealt with as you could easily lose all your funds if they assume you were trying to steal/find a loophole.

hope you can get in touch with someone

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02-15-2021 , 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by jayme87
how did you manage to send in mbtc just take off like two 00? genuinely curious when they send you the address and the amount to send in BTC and most wallets usually it gives the $ amount next to it before sending

what method did you use to send? i assume you dont use btc much?

when you made the second deposit i assume you go through the client again and made another deposit?

i wouldnt of done anything till the first deposit is dealt with as you could easily lose all your funds if they assume you were trying to steal/find a loophole.

hope you can get in touch with someone
I use Electrum which operates in mBTC with no USD rate that I can see. I am probably several versions behind tho. I realized I screwed up when the processing fee was orders of magnitude more than the withdrawal . I thought ACR would actually validate the amount of the exchange before creating my account and I wanted to get some $$$ in there so I went thru the client again for a second deposit before I checked my balance in the cashier.
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02-16-2021 , 10:05 PM
make sure your wallet is up too date if you hold anything worth something to you on it.

did you manage to reach out to anyone? i would possibly write a full email to support explaining everything, did you begin playing with the $1000 roll (i presume so as you said you didn't "dip into the other $500")

Your problem was when you began playing with the $ in your account i think and gives them a reason to think you were trying to find a loophole or something.

I would email support with full explaination. try to find some resolution to this, i assume they have your $500 deposit still? i would try to find a resolution with this. I guess if they have banned you then your $500 is froze/ taken? Seems tough to offer to pay anything back when they hold your $ ...

may not get your account back, but at least you are doing the right thing by apologising, explaining your situation.

hope you get a resolution if you really had no malicious intentions (which i think you didn't)

good luck

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02-16-2021 , 10:34 PM
(never deposited onto ACR, let alone using BTC)

sorry but how did ACR credit the account in the first place with $500 if the funds received was just $0.50?

do you just tell them that you are going to send $X, and they credit your account with $X and they just tell you to send it on over whenever you want?

can someone deposit $50 (and get $50,000) and then sit down at that no rathole massive stakes table and go to town for 5 minutes?
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02-17-2021 , 12:19 AM
Min deposit is $50 using btc and max is $25k..

I really dont understand if op just found a flaw in their system .. normally you get the address and amount which it gives you to copy and paste into your wallets send box

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02-17-2021 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by pmarrsouth
(never deposited onto ACR, let alone using BTC)

sorry but how did ACR credit the account in the first place with $500 if the funds received was just $0.50?

do you just tell them that you are going to send $X, and they credit your account with $X and they just tell you to send it on over whenever you want?

can someone deposit $50 (and get $50,000) and then sit down at that no rathole massive stakes table and go to town for 5 minutes?
YMMV but that's what happened to me as of three weeks ago. Might have changed the process or maybe bc it was a small amount they didn't bother to validate it before crediting. My deposits cleared in minutes; both correct and incorrect. Just don't expect to be able to withdraw if you bink
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02-17-2021 , 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by jayme87
Min deposit is $50 using btc and max is $25k..

I really dont understand if op just found a flaw in their system .. normally you get the address and amount which it gives you to copy and paste into your wallets send box
The amount on the WPN screen is in BTC, pasted into my wallet at mBTC. When I sent second time I made sure to x1000.

I did exchange emails with support for a week or so. I thought I was fairly cordial but maybe I wasn't nice enough. Might have to try again.
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02-17-2021 , 05:11 PM
Its not professional that they don't verify the amount of btc received before crediting your deposit. But you prolly should have contacted support immediately to let them know before playing.
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02-19-2021 , 07:27 PM
Update, things didn't go well with support Whatever, it's a few hundo. Good luck to those who continue dealing with these guys.

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Hello it is me again and I would like to make one final attempt to appeal to you to reopen my account. I do understand my account balance was increased inappropriately due to a mistake that I made with BTC deposit. It was never my intent to defraud you. The issue was I cut and pasted a BTC amount into a mBTC transaction.

I have started below thread on the 2+2 community and they have helped me understand that I should have reached out immediately to you. Honestly I only have limited time to play and I was just excited to play; I did not try to take advantage of the issue by playing higher stakes or making a third deposit. I hope you can read and understand that from my point of view this was an honest mistake.

<link to thread>

I really enjoyed my time on your site despite being significantly underwater as your software is pretty solid now so I hope we can renew our relationship.
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Hello, Hello,

We hope this email finds you well, it is a pleasure for us to assist you.

We understand that you are wondering about the decision for the account closure in this case its permanent by management and cannot be disputed. It has nothing to do with the bitcoin deposit sir. Have a good day

Please let us know if there is anything else we can do for you!

Customer Service Representative
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Hi XXX,

If it is not related to the bitcoin deposit then I am sure there must be some misunderstanding.

Can you please let me know why this decision was made? I had just recently reloaded as you are aware.

Thanks



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XXX (WPN Support)
6:04 PM (14 minutes ago)
to me

Hello, Hello,

We hope this email finds you well, it is a pleasure for us to assist you.

We understand that you wish to know the reason and its been explained we cannot disclose that. This ticket is being closed thanks for understanding.
Please let us know if there is anything else we can do for you!

Kind Regards,
XXX
Customer Service Representative
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02-20-2021 , 12:06 PM
What did the first set of corresponding emails look like can we see them?
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02-20-2021 , 07:58 PM
Harsh, perma banned with no reason given

Time to start playing as your sister
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02-20-2021 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by blitzT4M4Y0theGOAT
Harsh, perma banned with no reason given

Time to start playing as your sister
Happy to take my business elsewhere. I found the MTT player population a cut above other sites I've played. Never could get anything going there; just sucks that up and steal my money.

I'll put the emails up. They weren't much different.
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02-21-2021 , 03:21 PM
Not telling someone why you think their account is being used by robots is perfectly understandable and acceptable.

Accusing someone of fraud and not telling them why is just scumbag douchery.
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02-23-2021 , 01:47 AM
respond back and insinuate you are wealthy as *** and will sue, so shady
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02-23-2021 , 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by jayme87
What did the first set of corresponding emails look like can we see them?
see below, first one is the support ticket i submitted.
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My account is suspended, can you help me resolve so I can play? I assume it's in relation to a BTC deposit that I accidentally sent wrong amount?
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Dear beaterator,

We hope this email finds you well, it is a pleasure for us to assist you.

Unfortunately, your account has been deemed as permanently closed. There is nothing that can be done to restore it.

Please let us know if there is anything else we can do for you!
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Joseph, that's unfortunate. i assume you can help me withdraw my remaining balance?
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Hello,

We hope this email finds you well, it is a pleasure for us to assist you.

It is very unfortunate indeed. Sadly, it's no longer possible to reopen the account to cash out the funds.

Please let us know if there is anything else we can do for you!
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Hi Joseph,

That is both unreasonable and unacceptable. As you are aware I had recently reloaded my account and I have played on your site for many years as a net depositor.
I have,to my knowledge, complied with all terms of service. I would like to ask you for the grounds for this decision and/or the process by which I can escalate.

Thanks.
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We have escalated your case, for further review. Once we have a response, we will email you back.
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Thank you Molly,
I am hopeful to continue playing on your site and I look forward to working with you to resolve any concerns.
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We hope this email finds you well, it is a pleasure for us to assist you.

The account was permanently closed due to fraud and that the funds were confiscated, for that reason the account will remain close.

Please let us know if there is anything else we can do for you!
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Gustavo,
I strongly dispute the accusation of fraud.
It was my mistake to send 0.0xxxx mBTC instead of 0.0xxxx BTC in <blockchain address>
I knew this almost instantly. Which is why I followed up with <blockchain address> ten minutes later.
I would happily agree with a balance adjustment of any funds wrongly dispersed to my account due to accounting error from the first transaction.
I disagree with using this error, which should have been caught by your internal processes, as evidence of fraud and to justify forfeiture of monies which were correctly exchanged.

I have played online poker for 15 years and participated in countless online exchanges and never once been accused of fraud. Also you have still not told me exactly what "fraud" I committed and that I am completely assuming that it is in relation to the above.

My position is that failure to true my account balance and make my funds available to me for withdrawal is unfair and disrespectful. Please advise of the further actions I can take to appeal.
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We understand that you are wondering about the decision for the account closure in this case its permanent by management and cannot be disputed.
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02-23-2021 , 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Hiway2Hell
respond back and insinuate you are wealthy as *** and will sue, so shady
Guessing they would snap call my bluff based on my playing history
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02-24-2021 , 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by b-komplex
Update, things didn't go well with support Whatever, it's a few hundo. Good luck to those who continue dealing with these guys.
From Clause 12 in their T&C https://www.americascardroom.eu/poke...nd-conditions/, instead of giving up without a fight, you can sue them in Costa Rica.

It should take only between five and ten years for a resolution, (perhaps a little longer in these plague years), and here's an article from The Costa Rica Star that gives information on "How to Sue Someone in Costa Rica and Possibly Win".

Please let us know how it goes if you decide to become the first person ever to sue them for what is alleged to be an unfair confiscation of money.
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03-04-2021 , 01:50 AM
thats crazy, makes no sense how is sendign the wrong amount of btc even fraud
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