To sum up your whole post, it is being rebuilt. It will be launched sometime after UCOP finishes. This was one of the longer term tasks given to me when I came on board as PRM

Thanks for the additional feedback on what you want to see


Hi noanic, sorry that you had a bad experience. The tournament that you entered sounds like a Monster Rebuy. These are set to have 15 levels of registration, and then rebuys up until the addon after level 20 (where you get the option of a 10x starting stack in chips). It should have been part of the description of the tournament. If it was not, then please confirm the name/ID of it and I'll get that fixed.

Took me a minute to work out what TMI was. I do not know why it did not reschedule automatically, but its there and has started without issue. Thanks!

All times UK time

12:00 - Replace the Cashapillar Freezeout with this? 25rb (€22R?) - €1K Early Bird with 1,500 Extra - 3K ss (4.5K if early) - 3K Rebuys - 6K addon

12:30 - There is a €5.50R €500 Turbo at 14:30 UK time - you want another 2 hours before?

14:00 - Done, but with 1,000 extra instead. Can adjust if needed

15:00 - Might be too close to the above, as that has 90 mins late reg

15:30 - Freezeout? Not sure if we can get 50 runners for this

16:30 - Too close to the €10Rs on either side maybe?

17:00 - Cannot justify this unfortunately. Could move it to 16:30 maybe, with a much lower guarantee - We have a €5.50R Mini Mosh Pit now, at the same time as the Mosh Pit itself. Thoughts?

18:30 - Lot of €10Rs around this time

22:00 - I Like it. I have to confirm how to do 2K EB additional. Ill put it in once I find out

23:30 - Can do this, but same response as one above!

Antes from start, new blind levels, removed some early levels, added in a lot more play near the end. Please give comments etc on this



Most freezeouts will start with a 5K stack. Larger tournaments will be 7.5K - 10K. Deepstacks (for upcoming UCOP anyway) will be 15K

Most rebuys will be 3K stack. Some will be 4K - 5K, a few will be less

Yellow on the rebuy section is generally where the rebuy period ends. Most are after levels 9 or 10. The Monsters end after level 20. Then a few tournaments would end after level 6, and others after levels 12 & 15, but its not too common

Green is where we added in 2 "repeating" levels, the blinds remain the same, but it takes the ante from the next level. There are just 2 of these, and allow more play in the rebuy events (after most addons will occur)

If this is generally liked, we can put it up on a few tournaments to test out

Looks great improvement to me. Old blind structures reminded me of 2005 and while new blind levels aren't perfect they're huge leap forward. More meaningful early levels and far more deeper stacks for the endgame.

Great Peter

All times UK time

12:00 - Yes 25rb sounds good to me, there used to be one that worked pretty well.

12:30 - Yes I think the more games available even if just this will encourage more players to play a daytime schedule

13:00 Maybe add the Early bird, got a feeling when u can make this 1500 more in say this game, would encourage players to reg earlier, and build pools

14:00 - Super ^^ same as above

15:00 - Fair - how about a 750 1R1A Big ante Turbo - same setup as 10.30pm

15:30 - How about 1R available at ANY TIME and move to 4.30pm or 5pm so will be still regging for the evening players and a good warm up game.

18:30 - Lot of €10Rs around this time - Where could we fit in a 11 Turbo monster rebuy - think this would prove very popular with perhaps 5k SS 5K rebuys and 50K Add on -

22:00 - I Like it. I have to confirm how to do 2K EB additional. Ill put it in once I find out - Great

23:30 - Can do this, but same response as one above! Great

I know its not on the menu ATM, but would encourage development on the plo8 for new client - also would it be possible to add in the old 11pm 11 PLO8 with 200 guarantee. The 4.30 game is going quite well again lately and im sure could easily get the 11pm game going again 3k/3k/6k 6 mins

Thanks for ur swift reply and actions

Structure looks like a big improvement peter

A slightly modified version of the structure has gone live in for some tournaments today on MPN:

New Freezeout Structure Tournaments (GMT):

11:00 - €300 Cashapillar
12:30 - €200 Lunchtime Special
12:50 - €100 Early Bird Freezeout
14:15 - Mega Feeder to Big Top
16:00 - Mega Feeder to Gigabyte
15:15 - Mega Feeder to Gigabyte
18:05 - Mega Feeder to Mount Olympus
19:00 - €350 Kilobyte / €1,200 Megabyte / €3,000 Gigabyte
19:40 - Mega Feeder to Big Top

New Rebuys Structure Tournaments (GMT):

12:00 - €500 Break Away
13:30 - €500 Turbo Rebuy
16:00 - €1,777 Lost Vegas
16:30 - €1,250 Bullseye
17:05 - Early Bird Turbo Rebuy Feeder to Gigabyte
17:20 - Turbo Rebuy Feeder to 3 Seat Mega Feeder
20:10 - Turbo Rebuy Feeder to 3 Seat Mega Feeder

Hopefully there will be no disasters and then can be implemented in more tournaments!

***** Farseeerrr Rockssss! Great job on the structures and the schedule.

As for Omaha MTTs : u have the Fantastic Four 19:00 cet. Do u think at 21:00CET 300-500Gtd 10€ freezout could be succesful? I want to crush and kick someeee ass !!!

I called many times ******t , braindead etc Farseer but now i imagine his name in a prayerr . He made MPN great again!

New blind structures feel awesome in the rebuys.

Lost Vegas has always felt quite dull tournament for me, but with these new blind Even gave that 55r turbo a shot, although it is bit high buy-in for my calendar. Mosh Pit and Mosh Pit Lite which I also have often skipped will be part of my daily schedule.

And I effectively bubbled Lost Vegas and got busted with aces 55r so it preflop in isn't "I won so it must be great structure"-sort of feeling.

For me I think there needs to be more levels in the middle stage of rebuys (after rebuy over) if u cut them out earlier and add antes unless the starting stack and rebuy are higher 4/4/8 for example.

It does seem very shallow from end rebuy period and when we get to level 20 we are now at a higher level then we where at previous which does not make it better imo

Add perhaps
350/700 and
700/1400

We have put the new structures on most of the rest of the tournaments. Some of the Sunday tournaments will have the old structure for this weekend, but will be updated for next week.

Freezeouts NL tournaments (non sattys) should all have at least 5K starting stacks minimum now - if you see any that don't, please let me know! Old payout structures have been updated too on a few of the remaining tournaments.

UK Times:

12:00 - €1,000 Early Bird Carnaval - €22R, 1.5K extra chips for early reg

12:30 - €500 Turbo Morning Rebuy - €5.50R (same format as the one 2 hours later)

15:30 - Good time to try out our new Booster tournaments - €750 Early Bird Warm Up Booster - €22, 7,500SS, 1,500 Extra Chips for early reg. Boost you stack anytime you are at or below starting (once, before registration ends). Cost is discounted for Booster tournaments, and will be €11 for this one

18:30 - €1,000 Turbo Deepstack Monster Rebuy - €11, 5K SS, 50K Addon. Lets see how it does

22:00 - €1,000 Turbo Early Bird 1R1A - €22, 4K SS, 1,500 Extra Chips for early reg, 4K/8K


You can post in the Feedback thread about this, and also put it in the feedback of the new client

I added in a 23:00 €100 Guarantee €11 PLO8 FO, will see how it does and adjust - I only just realized that you wanted a rebuy, and its too late to change for today

22:00 (UK time) - €300 Nightly PLO Freezeout - €11 with 5K SS. We will see how it does and adjust

Firstly Fantastic response Peter - really looking forward to a superb schedule and structure in a months time at this rate, with u at the helm I now have no doubt!

If u can make the PLO8 at 11 a turbo 6 mins and rebuy that would be great

The PLO at 22:00 would also prob work as 6mins and RB also - could work well at 10PM - will also build the prizepool, 10 mins a little long for casual/recreational players

47 Daily Lower Stakes (€1.10 - €11) Freezeouts and Booster tournaments added. 2 per hour @ :15 & :45. Mix of 6 min levels and 10 min levels, as well as 6 and 8 handed:



A Booster tournament allows an additional stack for a discount. Boost your stack anytime you are at or below the starting stack, before registration closes!

Thanks for the feedback. Will wait for more before modifying.


Changed

Hi Peter,

Just thinking of best way to promote new games to the schedule as it will take a while for people to begin playing if they don't know anything about them.

Could we have a pop up perhaps daily when u log into micro highlighting the new games Peter, and perhaps a spot on the website with weekly updates for the MTT schedule

€2,000 The Deep Fifty-Five replaces the Gigabyte. 10K SS, €55 FO, with 10 mins levels and 90 mins late reg. Will run each weekday from this Monday. It is currently open for registration.

15 tournaments have received increased guarantees, including some PLO & PLO8 events. See the full list here: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...54&postcount=2

Increase for the Jungle Jim starts today, with the rest from the next time they run!

The Bullseye is now €1,500 guaranteed and also has increased starting/rebuy stacks to 5K & addon to 10K

Nice to see new tournaments and structures performing so well so quickly. Even Saturday Mosh Pit made it over 7k.

Not really thrilled about Booster tournaments myself, seems quite boring but it is good to see that you are trying new kind of tournaments.

As a thought, making Monster Rebuys -> Wild Wests instead might be worth a shot. Current Monster Rebuys have a major problem that last levels before add-on play effectively with 1bb-2bb stacks. By allowing multiple rebuys it wouldn't have to be so. Then you could also make add-on bit smaller (if keep any) and late registration longer. I think that way they would support far larger prizepools for even smaller buy-ins. It's also very possible format for hypers with 2 / 3 min blinds.

Current rake might be too much (both for monster rebuys and wild wests) though as these tournaments winning players have much smaller edge over losing player than in regular tournaments. So... smaller rake there?

I play almost all the daily tournaments on your site 11r+. The new changes are pretty horrible, the structure is super fast and the play is alot shallower throughout the tournament, the average stacks are shorter at final tables.

Before all these changes MPN had some of the fastest regular speed tournaments online- most of the offerings would be turbos on other networks.

Its madness that you only get 6bb if you make a rebuy in a regular speed mtt the level before the addon is available.

I would suggest changes for the rebuys like 5k starting stacks instead of 3k or making the levels 1-3 min longer if there are antes from the start of the tournament. Making levels longer after addon period is also another option.

Also, why are there not deepstack or longer level tournaments on your site? Not all players want to play a hyper turbo 300 person field that is over in 3hrs. Some daily slower structured mtts would be nice.

Hopefully some adjustments can be made to make the daily mtts playable

Adding in some daily 6max freezouts would be nice, along with more sattys to the Sunday 200E during the week or at least on fridays and saturdays. Some 2,3,or 5 seat gtd 20E freezout satellites would be awesome to get more runners for the Sunday Major

A agree with Ted I think the benefits we once had in early game are being de-valued by the quicker structures, I think we could change this by either adding in some levels which i suggested earlier in the middle stage to give more play post re-buy OR making every RB above 20bi a 4K starting stack - 8k addon.

Freezeouts 30bi and above i believe should now be a 7500ss to accomodate the new antes to give more play for ur buck.

This isn't running anything down Peter, I think u are really beginning to make great strides on the MTT schedule overall and hope u continue to make such great and welcome changes

Can you please explain, to the best of your memory, the format for these Wild West tournaments? I do not believe that they were ever on MPN (but I could be wrong). I googled it, and gave up after a very quick search, due to too many unrelated results

There is currently no option to allow multiple rebuys at once. You can suggest it in the Official MPN thread and also in the new Prima client (if you use it).

Thanks for the feedback about the new structures. When MPN reps started to post on 2+2 (less than 2 weeks ago), one of the biggest comments was the MTT blinds structure, how it was outdated and how there should antes from the start.

Since then, we have introduced 2 new structures, after taking feedback from here, and put them on most NLH tournaments on the site. This was only a few days ago. Now that these new structures are live we are getting 2 lots of comments:

1) Antes finally from the start, new structures are great!
2) This plays too fast now, around levels 10-20

Tweaking the structures with feedback directly from the players is very helpful. However, we will not be able to make every player happy, this is just natural. Some players have said that they will play more due to the new structures, since they are more exciting, others have said they will have to play less, due to them being too fast.

I do agree that the play around the end of late reg for most rebuy tournaments is a bit fast, here is a proposed change:



The rest of the tournament would play out as it does now, which should have much more play than previously

I do not believe that anyone has mentioned the blinds structure for freezeouts, so unsure if they need to be changed.

Please give comments on the above, and I'll look to introduce it for some tournaments on Monday/Tuesday
@ TheTerminator – I removed your dup post from the official feedback thread, as addressing it here

Not really possible on the site unfortunately. It is technically possible (search for "burst" on the client), but it is a bit of a mess and can be confusing

You can suggest it in the Official MPN thread and also in the new Prima client (if you use it).

What type of levels (minutes) are you looking for? What range of buy-ins and formats (FOs/rebuys/etc), or just generally all?

I did add in 2 pairs of tournaments, which start in the next ~6 hours:

14:15 UK time - €500 Highlander - €11R, 15 minute levels, 8 levels late reg - also has a mini version with a €1.10 BI (€50 GTD)

16:30 UK Time - €400 Deep Freeze - €22 FO, 15 minute levels, 10 levels late reg - also has a mini version with a €2.20 BI (€50 GTD)

I am guessing at the guarantees for something like this, but hopefully they will run a couple of times over the next few days and we can adjust.

Give me ideas on buy-ins please. I added in 23 daily FOs a couple of days ago, 5 of which were 6max. See a few posts above for the schedule


There are a TON of sattys for the majors on Sundays (and many during the week too). Most are now direct feeders to the majors, rather than generic tickets like they were before. If you search for "feeder" in the client, you will see this. Majors in this case I am counting the €110 Big Top & Mount Olympus, and also the €215 High Society.

The megas for these are €22 for the €110 and €55 for the €215. Today we have the following:

2 Seat Mega to Big Top
3 Seat Mega to Big Top
2 Seat Mega to Mount Olympus
5 Seat Mega to Mount Olympus
2 Seat Mega to High Society
3 Seat Mega to High Society

There are also daily megas to these too, as well as feeders to the Sunday megas!

The problem is getting players to register so that the tournaments reach the minimum to start. Minimums are pretty much at the lowest they can be right now. Maybe with the new freezeout structure, it will help them to start. I suggest that if you like to play these, then register now for them. Once the first person registers, other tend to follow. For some reason, players seem to not like to be the first person to register!

Well this is what I remember from them:

- Buy-in was 0,25€ for 500 chips. Unlimited (no max. stack) rebuys for 60 minutes and add-ons both 0,25€ for 500 chips. Rake 9% for buy-in, 4% for rebuys / add-ons.
- They didn't have late registration - tournaments @ Entraction didn't have late registration and they still managed to reach ambitious guaranteeds.
- Blind levels were 5 minutes. There were no antes (most of Entraction tournaments never had) but they were very steep. Tournament with 8k guaranteed was over within 4 hours.
- 23:30 (Finnish time) tournament had 8000€ guaranteed, roughly never missed it and was late night tournament since it didn't last too long (they had many wild wests though, but they require high guaranteed to keep them interesting for mid- or highstakes players).
- Prize structure was same as other Entraction tournaments - big bubble, big 1st place money, roughly top10-12% paid.

I think that the beauty of wild west was that it allowed people with different bankrolls to play together for meaningful prizes. Like micro stakes players could take small stack, while highstakes players could take mega stacks and other players something in-between. Of course buy-in can be less or more, but 0,25€ is something that every player can afford.

For structures in rebuys, I would take new structure (didn't like double levels too much, would personally remove 175/350/35 from new one though) but keep general stacks as 3k / 6k for rebuys. 4k / 8k only for 55r turbo and for some more special deeper stacks, mostly 1r1a. Allowing double rebuy in the rebuy tournaments would give people a chance to play with deeper stacks if they wish so.

I'll suggest implementing multiple rebuys @ client in the general thread. I think it's no-brainer, it gives extra option for players who wish to play deeper and it will make prize pools (bit) more larger. And it will allow wild west type tournaments.

I forgot to mention that Entraction also had rather popular Wild West satellites. Multiple rebuys would also support better performing turbo R&A satellites which use smaller starting stack.

Yes Peter the 5Kss freezeouts suffer the same couple problems around the middle area. A few slight changes will make a world of difference - really great u are listening to all feedback and adjusting as required. Making it a really customer focused schedule and structure the numbers should really increase by word of mouth alone.

Well played KLAPP KLAPP!

A note from today: At least Cashville (11+r) had requirement of 8 players to start. It is really necessary? Most other (rebuy) tournaments seems to have 6 players minimum, but I think 4-5 players should be enough to fire any regular tournament, just check that prize payout is good enough (not paying more than 1 place with under 8 players or so etc.) so it doesn't make tournament to close prematurely.

As there is no unregistration allowed for 3 minutes before tournament launches it is unlikely that foul play would be likely there (like 1st hand everyone goes all-in with any 2 cards). Also most freezeouts seems to have 4 or 5 players minimum.

By the way I can't see Cashville scheduled for tomorrow. No tournament starting @ 23:00 GMT (02:00 Finnish time, 01:00 for CET with summer time).

Also some tournaments seems to have odd payouts, at least for 4 players paid like 1st 40% 2nd 27,5% 3rd 17,5% and 4th 15% (55+r turbo at least, but that's probably not only one). That makes bubble most meaningful, even in heads-up there's less money in the stake than @ bubble. Some other tournaments have 40%-30%-20%-10% which probably isn't perfect but better than having so huge bubble. Something like 40%-25%-15%-10% would sound best though.

Pretty much every NL tournament now has the most recently changed structures (image above), which in summary:

1) has antes from the start
2) should allow more play than the previous iteration around the end of late reg/rebuy period
3) has more play in the later stages of tournaments

If you see a tournament that should have the newest structure but doesn't, please let me know

Also note that the:

€110 €5,000 Big Top
€110 €7,500 Mount Olympus
€215 €7,500 High Society

All have the newest structure and are all now 10,000 starting chips (vs 5,000 previously)


Thanks, updated the FOs too

Cashville changed to 6 minimum now. Probably won't go lower than that, but will monitor - payout issue address below

Cashville is scheduled right away once the previous one is started, however it was not displaying in lobby for many hours. I have changed that, and it should show up much quicker than before

Thanks

Payout structures are tedious (I'm putting it nicely) to change on the system. Its not at all easy/quick to make the changes you are suggesting. Good point regarding the bubble being worth more than HU play. I am working on a new payout structure, and I'll discuss internally about this