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Originally Posted by FutureInsights
Do not agree. If rakeback goes away, then need to win. Hence our current situation ITT. (And, just because you say so, with all due respect, representing a poker site, does not make it so).
It's not a matter of opinion.
You said "I AM saying a player dependent on rakeback for living, well, that is not winning."
I'm not sure how you're defining "winning" to make you believe that. Said player wins money, and thus is a winning player. And if you're trying to say that he's not a winning player because he needs RB to win, well, that's just silly.
Let's try it this way. Let's say a "RB pro" gets 50% in RB, bonuses etc. Pro loses 1 BB/100 before RB, and makes 2 BB/100 after RB. IE rake is costing him 6 BB/100. He's beating the player pool by 4 BB/100. How is he not a winning player?
The reason I argue against this so adamantly is because I think it's silly to make a distinction between players who profit before RB and those who only profit after RB. People use the term "RB Pro" as a put down, and I think it's wrong. Here are a couple of examples why I think so:
Take the pro I mentioned in the earlier paragraph. Now we reduce the rake at the site by 50%, and remove all RB and bonuses. Said pro is still making 2 BB/100, but without RB. Did lowering the rake make him a better player? Of course not. He was a winning player with rakeback, and he's a winning player with lower rake.
Or let's compare two players of equal skill level, who play at different sites, and pay the same rake. Site A has a much softer player pool, but has no RB. Site B has rake races, and rakeback, and as a result attracts more pros and has a much tougher field. The player at Site A makes 2 BB/100. The player at Site B loses 1 BB/100, but makes 2 BB/100 after RB. Is player A better because his profit is without RB?
My point is this - it really doesn't matter in the end how you make your money. There are many factors that play into profitability at a site, and rake/rakeback is just one of them. Winning money is winning money, however you get there.
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Originally Posted by FutureInsights
Though, I know this site likes to give rakeback deals, just not available to me, so I have more respect for winning players than the old style rakeback pros, my preference.
Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion/preference, but I think it's misguided here, due to thinking narrow-mindedly. And I don't mean that as a pejorative - I just mean that you're not looking at the entire picture when you have more respect for one player over another. In other words, looking at it too narrowly.
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Originally Posted by FutureInsights
Do not agree. If rakeback goes away, then need to win. Hence our current situation ITT. (And, just because you say so, with all due respect, representing a poker site, does not make it so).
Out of curiosity, what does the bolded mean?