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Originally Posted by kahntrutahn
You presume Ignition is infested with bots. I disagree with your premise. I have seen no proof to back that up.
Furthermore, the "infestation" of bots is indeed overblown from a population density perspective as far as I am concerned. I believe bots, bots bots hysteria is an excuse for piss poor players to justify their losses. We get emails from people like this, who couldn't play their way out of a wet paper bag, all the time as a matter of fact!
Sure, bots exist, but they are not the reason someone can't beat online poker, and defaulting to the idea that bots are "infesting" everything is plain silly.
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Kahn
First of all, of course you haven't seen the proof because nobody knows how infested Bodog/Bovada/Ignition's games are because the games are anonymous. What you can do to a get a little bit of an idea is to read the bot forums and see how easy or hard the sites make it for the botters to set up shop. You will find multiple bot sites that list their security as low or poor. You can also see how many downloads they get for updates.
Second of all, it's not overblown by any means. In fact, I'd say that the vast majority of the poker community doesn't even realize how widespread the problem is. I've witnessed 9max tables with 8 bots on them and 6max tables with 6 bots on them. LOL @ that nonsense.
Your very own site recently put out an article about 90 PLO cash game bots at the Winning Poker Network. That's one friggin game type. Just think how many more there are in NLHE cash games, MTTs, SnGs, etc. Hundreds in total!
Last but certainly not least you seem to think the issue people have with bots is that we believe they're very good at poker and prevent good players from winning. I'm certainly not suggesting that. That's certainly not at the top of my reasons why I want them gone. I'm a winning poker player and I have been for years. I know how to identify them, avoid them and even make money off some of them. Many of them are exploitable to a certain degree. Most of them are not as good as the better real players at the tables.
What they do is put in enormous amounts of volume without ever tilting or losing focus while crushing the weaker regs and recreational players and only needing to break to avoid detection and for occasional maintenance. There is talk that some of them might be able to share hole cards because so many regs run below ev when there are multiple bots at a table.
When you get hundreds of these things on a site it means lots of money is being stolen from the economy. That one WPN bot caught on Twitch had 35k in profit on SharkScope.
Please quit trying to minimize this issue. Maintaining the integrity of the games is the only way poker will remain a viable source of entertainment and extra income for any decent amount of time going forward.
The fact that that kind of nonsense can go on at sites and then to think that they have a magical algorithm to detect all improprieties such as collusion is foolish to believe without some proof to the contrary.
The bot sites sell software that works for the network. You can watch videos of them in action.
Of course you haven't caught many, the games are anonymous. Proper bot detection takes huge hand histories on a single account, which you can't possibly have playing on this network. Most bots look like just another reg these days, especially in small samples.
And I'm not suggesting the network has a worse bot issue than the WPN or Chico or even Party Poker. Frankly, I doubt it is as big of an issue with all of the network's software related issues, lack of rakeback and table cap. We just don't have an accurate way to tell the total extent of the issue in anonymous games, but we also don't have an accurate gauge of traffic in general.
Last edited by MCAChiTown; 07-04-2019 at 04:01 PM.