Reading back on the last few pages, I can't help but remember how many users have been absolutely lambasted or even banned for making rigging/collusion/bot allegations against WPN over the last few years. Quite a few. To sit and think that they were simply pointing out the obvious and that affiliates and administrators here were silencing them for a nefarious reason is definitely a bit disconcerting. I guess when you have a slew of online pros all stating the same thing about WPN now, it becomes a bit difficult to just shuffle all the allegations and evidence off to the rigtard thread.

Geez, crap like this gets old. Really, really old.

Really? Because I can't remember anyone who has been banned for nothing more than making an allegation against WPN.

Unless you want to count repeat trolls, abusive posters and the like. Some of them have been banned after posts about any number of sites.

That's a pretty serious accusation. I'd ask you to back it up, but that's rather pointless as I know you can't, since it doesn't happen.

Hundreds of threads and tens of thousands of posts on our site over the years accusing dozens of sites of all sorts of things, and this accusation makes sense to you? Seriously??

Why would we ever move collusion and bot allegations over to the "rigtard thread"? Doesn't happen. And as for posts about poker being rigged, nothing has changed in that regard. If people want to post their rigged theories, they should do so in the containment thread. If they actually have some substantial evidence, they should create a thread. Same policy we've had for years, and we still do, for WPN or any other site.

It's just a little difficult to believe that with all of the promotion of WPN that 2+2 has given over the years, along with an obvious relationship with them, that they would have absolutely nothing to do with any possible cheating/theft scandal that may or may not be going on for a long time now. You're right, I don't have any proof of anything nor should I really be making any allegations but you guys have to realize that right now, it's hard to trust anyone in this industry.

I hope to everything that there isn't any shred of factual proof of anything in the end but that's just never, ever the case once there is this much smoke around something. SOMETHING's off. The simple fact that the allegations have reached the heights that they have will surely turn a lot of people off. Now, that's not fair before any conclusion has been reached but that is absolutely the world we're living in.

And as for banning/silencing: Of course the vast majority of the crowd we're talking about was legitimately just complaining and trolling endlessly. That said, I don't think anyone can deny that 2+2 has always been overtly critical of anyone suggesting that a site is rigged or unfair.

Here's how I understand the allegations, for the most part:

1) Lots of botting and collusion, and a very inadequate response by WPN. Unfortunately, botting and collusion are very much a part of the poker landscape now (and for the past few years), on pretty much every site. But of course how the sites respond is extremely important, and if WPN has been falling down on the job, that should change.

2) A problem with late registration and players being allowed to sit together when they late register, which means they can stall their way into the money. I expect they'll be fixing this.

3) Superusing - this, so far, has had nothing more than brief mentions and there has been nothing provided in the way of evidence. I don't expect anything will come of this, but of course if there is something to it, it needs to be uncovered.

Rigging has not, that I've seen, been part of the current WPN discussion that stemmed from Joey's video.

If by 2+2, you mean posters in general, that's true. However, I firmly believe the reason is the serious lack of evidence. People get tired of accusations without evidence over and over again. But thankfully, serious accusations are generally taken seriously. Many times botting or collusion rings have been uncovered on 2+2, or posted about here after someone already did all the work, and while they sometimes get negative reaction in the early stages before all the evidence is produced or properly understood, in the end the reaction is as it should be. Much as it was with the only superuser scandals I know to have been proven, on AP & UB. Those were uncovered here, and got past any initial skepticism.

Cliffs: Due to the ridiculous amount of unsubstantiated allegations, 2+2ers tend to be a cynical bunch, but in the end, I believe the substantive issues are given the appropriate attention.

And if by 2+2, you mean the site itself, they don't take a stance on these things. I've never been asked, or asked any other mod, to delete critical posts or threads on behalf of the site, nor do I believe I ever will be.

Well, for the record: I've only read the site on and off but it is for quite some time now. Personally, I've never seen you be unreasonable or abrasive with anyone. That's just the truth. I have also seen some other moderators just be overly hostile towards anyone even asking about the subject but admittedly, I haven't seen anywhere near as much of that in the last year or so.

For the most part I've ignored a lot of the same allegations because they were typically coming from unqualified sources but about six months ago I was out to dinner and met a few people who were online and live pros before and after Black Friday. They did advise me not to make any substantial deposits on these sites for some time and said there was going to be a bombshell dropping pertaining to cheating/theft/etc. I didn't really hear anything else about it until a couple of days ago when I came on here and then when I looked into it further, I did notice that news of this had spread to a lot of other sites and just all around seemed to be "heavier" than anything in the past. For now, I'm simply staying tuned like I'm sure a lot of us are.

How many times have I read some variation of this story before. Too many to count.

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Kahn

Well, that more than likely means there's some truth to it.

Curling is to the Winter Olympics as Match Poker should be to the Olympics: luck; skill; blocking; drawing; collusion (by the sweepers).

All we need now is a poker site to offer the format in preparation to entry.

For the record my view and statements on the matter come primarily from playing in the games, observing the games and analyzing the data from the games.

I'd be more than willing to send you my long list of bot accounts along with my reasoning for tying them all together. You could pass it along to your connections at Chico or you could tell me how to improve it to present to Chico myself. I'm certain every account listed is a bot and I could provide any data I have that is necessary.

And if in 6 months or a year from now the same amount of bots still inhabited the network you'd still feel the same way, that they are taking the issue seriously? I just want to get an idea of how long you think this process may take?

I am able to win at the stakes I play. Even with the bot issue I still prefer the Chico network compared to my other options while living in an unregulated state of the USA. That doesn't mean I, as well as others, shouldn't speak up about the issue of rampant botting that is taking place on the network.

Ordinarily I'd be willing to look over your data in some fashion and pass it along if I felt it was worth looking into. There is no one to corroborate this publicly, but I have a stellar record with regard to passing on tips that result in bot/collusion/chip dumping bans - on all networks. However, this isn't an ordinary time and my assistance in the matter is not needed because they are working on it.

I have helped numerous times in the past. There are examples of it mentioned in various 2+2 threads, including specifically the Chico thread. I don't have the time to look it up to prove it to you. We've written about it elsewhere, but I can't provide you a source due to 2+2 rules.

I expected to have an official statement to present about the matter last week but it hasn't materialized. I'm chasing them down on this matter, but there is no guarantee one will be produced. They do not have a "PR department" that reaches out and interacts with forum users.

Should they have an unsatisfactory response, or desire assistance, or whatever, I'll decide on what more of a role I can realistically play in helping.

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Kahn

Where can I find correct answers to Pokerschoolonline cash quiz?
I keep failing it at ~60%. I guess my style of play is more aggressive than one suggested in tutorial. Dunno what I'm answering wrong...

So it seems stars, 888 and partypoker no longer does this anymore. Bet365 does if its over a year.


Intertops, apparently 18 months. But they take the entire balance. Does anyone know if that is true or not?


I also checked wpn but not sure it fully. They say its a year but is that a fee per month after a year or do they take your entire balance? I read cases where players partypoker and 888poker dormant accounts get to 0 after they havent logged into for a while and played etc. The only thing that would make sense would be charge something like 10 dollars a month after 1 year dormant. Because if sites just take your entire balance after a year of inactivity, well someone could have a high balance there and just never logged in. Then they lose the entire balance? I mean sites and sportsbooks would be making lot of money just from that since surely there are ppl that dont even log into their accounts anymore. Such as imagine 1000 players with just 100 dollars. Thats 100k free money for them if they take everything just like that.

Shirley, all this has to be in their respective T&C and you can search for those?

Like, from Google search for, "888poker, Terms and Conditions":

7.3 If you do not log in to your account for a consecutive period of 12 months for reasons other than self-exclusion in accordance with the Responsible Gaming Policy, your account will be considered a "dormant account". Before an account becomes a dormant account, we will use reasonable efforts to notify you via the most current contact details you provided to us. Following your account becoming a dormant account, for security reasons we will suspend the balance in the account at that time to ensure the balance is safe and secure. However you can at any time login to the account or contact us to request that we restore the account and have access to the positive balance in the account before the account became a dormant account subject to our verifying your identity.

It´s March,shouldn´t there be a reload bonus at stars...

The placement of your post baffles me. Almost banworthy.

hey guys, this is Manchvegaspwn from ftp/ Bo0sh79 from stars pre BF... lil off topic but I'm sick of my sharkscope stats being incorrect on this site as well as global poker.. Bad regs like "Alpha_Cue_Up" telling others that I suck bc my "chitty" sharkscope stats when in reality im approx +$2.8K on my jymaster11 BOL acct, it says I'm (-1.1k or something) and my global acct "ReKigNITion" says im -$700ish when in reality im +$800ish over my first 600GP.. these bad regs and droolers need to understand the ppl that came before them... i had over 30K games played on ftp/stars over 2 mill in prizes won, don't need ppl berating me for stats that aren't even close to correct imo.

Yeah, nothing worse than having people underestimate you - much better that people know exactly how well you play and adjust accordingly.

Of course, they're fools for using Sharkscope data to berate people in the first place, but that's a different story.

So I play on Bovada and they have a pretty good mobile site....I just got a new iPhone 8 and and just tried it for fun and it works flawlessly...can even play your music from the tv speakers

I don’t think you need a new iPhone cause I was able to do it with my 6 as well

When my PC crashes my PS preferences are @$#$#^&@ settings are gone, for the xxx time. JFC sick of it, not doing it again ever.

And I immediately I know it happened again because I see annoying DNEGS smiling at me SO TILTING

apart from 4colordeck and betasound anf handhistory BLEH

i am a poker player and want to join a club in PPPoker named JOKERKINGZ. This guy called Ronald Walden (djshortcutt), ID: tyson str8, claimed he is a agent of both clubs called Rounders LLC and Jokerkingz. He added me in the Jokerkingz club and ask me to send him money to deposit by paypal. However this mother****er block all the contact after i deposit!! i have reported this to paypal and pppoker and i want you to tell every poker player you know this incident and avoid being cheated by this mother****er anymore!!! the following link is his FB page and instagram. Just dont want anyone to scam by him!
His FB page: https://www.facebook.com/ron.d.walde...j6PufQ&fref=nf
His instagram: https://web.stagram.com/djshortcutt
His paypal link:PayPal: ronawldn@aol.com
https://www.paypal.me/DjShortCutt
As you can click the link and see this mother****er is still recruiting people, if u are a poker player and love the game.PLZ REPORT！！

So let me get this right, you wanted to play on a third world site which threads here indicate is a bit questionable, for which you need to use an agent to even play, then you make a transfer using a method distinctly prohibited in the transfer thread because it's so easy to get scammed, then you're surprised that you get scammed? Did you do any due diligence at all?

Just tried to go on pokerscout.com and was pushed off onto the NJ sites only page. Evert further attempt to get the page displaying all worldwide sites does not work. Is this happening to others in the US? Anyone know what is up?

outside of the US, so can't answer if this is standard or since when you get re-directed.

i can only guess, why the site redirects. either they think it's safer for them (it seems the parent company is listed at the swedish stock market, so they might have to do this), or they want to maximize their convertion rate.

as a quick fix i would recommend TOR browser.

I'm in a regulated state and it works fine for me. LOL just checked the traffic for the poker room in my state and it's pathetic.

Pokerscout is kinda worthless the way they have it now. They used to have so much more info.