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Originally Posted by HugeStacks
It's just a little difficult to believe that with all of the promotion of WPN that 2+2 has given over the years, along with an obvious relationship with them, that they would have absolutely nothing to do with any possible cheating/theft scandal that may or may not be going on for a long time now. You're right, I don't have any proof of anything nor should I really be making any allegations but you guys have to realize that right now, it's hard to trust anyone in this industry.
I hope to everything that there isn't any shred of factual proof of anything in the end but that's just never, ever the case once there is this much smoke around something. SOMETHING's off. The simple fact that the allegations have reached the heights that they have will surely turn a lot of people off. Now, that's not fair before any conclusion has been reached but that is absolutely the world we're living in.
Here's how I understand the allegations, for the most part:
1) Lots of botting and collusion, and a very inadequate response by WPN. Unfortunately, botting and collusion are very much a part of the poker landscape now (and for the past few years), on pretty much every site. But of course how the sites respond is extremely important, and if WPN has been falling down on the job, that should change.
2) A problem with late registration and players being allowed to sit together when they late register, which means they can stall their way into the money. I expect they'll be fixing this.
3) Superusing - this, so far, has had nothing more than brief mentions and there has been nothing provided in the way of evidence. I don't expect anything will come of this, but of course if there is something to it, it needs to be uncovered.
Rigging has
not, that I've seen, been part of the current WPN discussion that stemmed from Joey's video.
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Originally Posted by HugeStacks
And as for banning/silencing: Of course the vast majority of the crowd we're talking about was legitimately just complaining and trolling endlessly. That said, I don't think anyone can deny that 2+2 has always been overtly critical of anyone suggesting that a site is rigged or unfair.
If by 2+2, you mean posters in general, that's true. However, I firmly believe the reason is the serious lack of evidence. People get tired of accusations without evidence over and over again. But thankfully, serious accusations are generally taken seriously. Many times botting or collusion rings have been uncovered on 2+2, or posted about here after someone already did all the work, and while they sometimes get negative reaction in the early stages before all the evidence is produced or properly understood, in the end the reaction is as it should be. Much as it was with the only superuser scandals I know to have been proven, on AP & UB. Those were uncovered here, and got past any initial skepticism.
Cliffs: Due to the ridiculous amount of unsubstantiated allegations, 2+2ers tend to be a cynical bunch, but in the end, I believe the substantive issues are given the appropriate attention.
And if by 2+2, you mean the site itself, they don't take a stance on these things. I've never been asked, or asked any other mod, to delete critical posts or threads on behalf of the site, nor do I believe I ever will be.