Cash at cage. By contrast, the last cashout i made using this method pre-merge, I got got an email saying my money was ready within 2 hours.

Interesting. I just noticed today that the client is no longer asking me if I would like to reverse my cashout, so maybe the money is ready and they did not bother to tell me.

Edit: literally got an email notifying me the cash is ready 5 minutes ago.

This is so frustrating. WSOP shooting themselves in the foot at every turn. It would be so easy for them to put together a respectable tournament schedule and crush the cornered market. Instead, their lackluster offerings actually *deter* participation and result in cancelled tournaments and smaller fields. They don't understand the concept of critical mass or how a poker tournament ecosystem works.

Right. There's no opportunity to move up in limits if they keep it this way either. They have ultra micro 25 cent tourneys and then $50-100 freezeouts and multiple $30 rebuys but not enough in between.

Someone who's learning tourney poker and trying to build a roll playing $3-10 rebuys and $10-30 freezeouts is never going to get anywhere on this site, and those are the people you need.

If you log on right now (5:15pm NV/8:15pm NJ) your only options are a $30 rebuy, a $5 PLO rebuy, a $50 freezeout, and some satellites. Where does that leave the recreational players who have like $100-200 on the site? It's a joke.

I give them a pass while they're trying to work the bugs out and get everyone transferred to the new software, but if they don't work this stuff out by August it will be a problem.

I think the bigger problem is the structure of these tournaments.

There's actually a reverse pay jump in every tournament -- I think it's usually from place 5 to 6. The increase in money earned is smaller than the previous one.

1st is sometimes almost double 2nd. Making the FT in a large field might only get you 4x your buyin.

Disaster

As a cash game player, I think the majority of complaints about the transition have been largely exaggerated and typical "poker players complain about everything" fodder*--

... but every time I venture to the tourney lobby, my heart breaks a little for you MTT grinders. Holy ****, it seems like literally any schedule they produced other than the one they have would be an improvement. I imagine you have to clock a full workday and spread yourself across a slew of buy-ins and game types just to play a small handful of tournaments.

Even under the old player pool there were a few nights where I'd put on a pot of tea and fire up some donkaments into the wee hours of the night just for ****s and giggles; now I look at the schedule at 7pm, and I'm like "Do I feel like potentially staying up until 3am just to single table a R+A? No. I don't."

Blast seems like a very good approach to the low buy-in SnG player pool, though, even if that's probably cancer for the grinders.


*Okay, so 23 days in, my patience is getting a little thin with them figuring out the player rewards.

So many ways to improve the schedule, but I think most needed are a handful of low-mid stakes turbos starting around 9pm ET. The $3k $10 turbo rebuy is very popular and tournaments like it (or re-entry, or freezeouts) would do very well throughout the evening.

Can anybody confirm they removed their highest stakes? They used to have up to 150/300 limit and 100/200 NL/PL before the merge, but now I can only see up to 30/60 and 25/50

5/10 was highest plo8 still is

30/60 flo8 highest i see right now


25/50NLH highest i see

30/60 limit holdem highest i see.

Blast roulette is killing it obv. That's all that matters to them.

Definitely, if you hate poker.

Yeah we traded a full evening schedule of decent tournaments for unbeatable Blast SNGs.

Basically they eliminated the middle. You either win big or you don't win at all.

You can play Blasts, which are pointless/unbeatable unless you draw a miracle prizepool...

Or you can play their sparse tournament schedule, which is a waste of time unless you finish top 3, because the payouts are so flat now that they pay like 20% of the field and concentrate the prizepool up top.

It's a crappy situation to try to grind consistent money right now. There aren't enough spots to get your money back as an MTT grinder if you don't bink one of the few decent tourneys they run each day.

I used to look forward to logging in in the evening and grinding the whole tourney schedule. Now I look at the lobby and wonder what the hell happened.

Wsop never used to have big limit holdem. i asked bill years ago to add bigger limit as well as plo over 5-10 and he did. I am not sure why they got rid of the bigger limit and even got rid of the bigger nl games (they used to have 50-100 and 200-400 and i saw both run a few times). I have played a lot of 15-30 30-60 on wsop and can say that limit is dead. For the first week we had 5-10 and 10-20 that seemed promising and now nothing. During the series theres been the occasional game bigger and im assuming you may be the guy who played 100-200 with me a bit over the summer



In general wsop is missing the mark hard with a lot of things. The tournament schedule is horrible. The times are all off. There used to be a 3 hour period in NV where a bunch of tournaments were running. Even on weekends the saturday schedule used to be much better. They no longer have the 30 rebuy 6 max that was good. I also don't get why they have these all in sattelites for mtt tickets and not just run a daily 100 buy in hu shootout clearly the software has that ability.

I am still doing a giant writeup of all the issues with wsop that needs to be changed. Right now some of the key points are:

More lammer sattys: step sngs didnt work but can def run 10 dollar and 25 dollar mtts nonstop for 1k lammers

Better mtt schedule: more plo tourneys, hu mtt shootouts, more nl tourneys in general bc its lacking hard. Also raise the guarantees to reflect what its actually hitting. They dont realize that if a tourney has a 7k gtd and hits 12k every night well make it 10k gtd now more people play it bc its bigger next thing you know 15k prize pool. Some of these mtt structures are also absurd. During their tourney week they had 1 turbo you could come in with like .8 bb or something insane.

Tourney tickets for winning satellites: No satellite should be a must enter. You should get tickets. If people can stock up tickets they will fire more and more satelites making those go from giving away 2 seats to now 6. Also make it so you can use tickets for rebuys/reentries/addons it only makes the prize pools bigger.

RSA tokens. For the love of god give people the option to have better security. RSA tokens have been around for ages. I know 2 people with 6 figures on there because of the 25-50 plo if i was in their shoes id be stressed knowing how horrible customer service is. I still am waiting for a 100 refund from when the geolocation issue happened site wide and still nothing.

Bring back full ring nl tables. They claim they did it in order to help the games last but it did the opposite. I have met a ton of people live who literally stopped playing bc they play 2-5 or 5-10 nl 9 handed live and they want to do the same online. They want to just relax 1 table full ring. The 2-5 nl on wsop used to be amazing and when they got rid of those games they assumed those guys would shift to 6 max and theyd make more in rake. Problem is a lot of those guys quit or went all the way to 25-50 cent nl. They offer full ring limit and full ring plo but not nl.

The rake at hu sngs: For some reason the rake is identical at hu sngs for hypers as the nonturbo (only other option). Im sort of torn on this one because knowing our luck they will keep the hyper the same and raise the nonturbo.

random software glitches: I will randomly have tablets where i cant click the replayer or open lobby buttons at all. Its quite annoying in a cash game to not be able to look at the replayer. Only way to fix it is to restart that table and if its a cash game well maybe you just lost your seat. Another big issue is peoples rakeback is giving errors when they click on that tab. Mine finally works but i know a few with issue still.

Also wtf is going on with total rewards. I hit 7 star from grinding soley on wsop and because i have 0 action in the pitts they won't guarantee me free rooms anymore. I also lost my 500 celebration dinner everyone gets for hitting 7 star. I talked to 2 other people and they are having the same issue. They should prefer people like me who just give them 6 figures a year in rake. A whale who bets big in blackjack who loses 100k in a year can occasional beat them one year. Im pure profit to them. They really need to figure that out as its not fair that they offer 7 star but you don't get all the perks of being 7 star.

I know a lot of issues are limited as long as wsop keeps using 888s software. Hopefully wsop sees the longgame and is working on building its own software. Right now everyone wants horse, mixed, chinese, etc and unless 888 decides to add that to their client (never gonna happen) we wont't get it.


This was just a rough thing i wrote while multitabling so excuse the spelling grammar and just utter mess. If anyone has anything that should be included in this email to wsop post it here. Really hoping that if its written well enough and enough people tweet/email them they may care. A lot of people are telling me im wasting my time but its worth a shot

Also if you are a reg on here and berating the fish seriously your strat. The amount of NJ regs who berate the fish in these plo games for playing bad is insane. I have seen a few people being berated so bad. I know NV players do it as well im sure but from what im seeing on the plo games 25-50 to 2-4 its regs who are on everyday 6 hours a day+ and multitabling berating the fun player. If you see this happening when the fun player leaves the game explain it to the guy whos doing it why its dumb. Of if the guys multitabling and you can get his attention on another table where the fish isn't do that. Last night a fish played K555 pre won a small pot guy goes into him. I simply say shhh and he realized quick and apologized after. We could see an influx of recreational players lets make them feel welcome. Let them play how they want to and even give them the occasional nice hand when they call off that gutter all in and hit

lol ain't nothin gonna stop idiot, break even rakeback grinders from berating the fish. They berate me too .

I could careless if they berate me or regs or whoever. It makes no sense to berate the guy vpipping 100 percent and just trying to give it away

Sure... I know. And I tell people to ****off for doing it to the fish but i'm just saying they're gonna keep doing it anyway. They are not very smart.

I give rec the :Beer: every time they pwn me with something silly. And I give the regs who blow up in chat the :Heart:

Also chatup the recreational players every once in a while or participate when they start chatting. Been doing this a while!

I can't freakin wait till they get these rewards sorted out.

This weekend situation is awful. Just before 4pm NV/7pm NJ all they're running is a $5 rebuy. How is it possible for a site to be this bad?

While I agree they need more medium stakes buy-ins between noon and four pm EDT, Sunday has a $50 mtt that starts at 1 pm and a $100 tourney starting at 4.

I swear the saturday mtt schedule is worse

27 days still this....

Well apparently tons of people are having geolocation issues. Same thing happened 2 weeks ago and was down for 8 hours. I had to restart the client during then got blinded out of 2 hu sngs 50 each and sent 10 emails now with no refund even after i got them the tourney ids and everything. Curious if they don't fix this fast enough what will happen to mtts. Everyone thats registered in the 320 will be blinded out. I assume they will cancel the mtts if they don't figure it out in time as they will be paying a huge amount as noone can get in the tourney to begin with.

geolocation issues here in vegas

Just got texts from friends people are getting back on now so may be fixed already.

Hoping they have some more tournament ideas coming. Something like a mini version of the day's live WSOP event could do really well. Sure would like some PLO8, Stud, and Stud8 tournaments.

im in now hopefully its stable today