I'm sick and tired of people shitting on ACR, seriously. They're the best alternative there is right now and they're trying, whatever their faults.

Putting PS as an example to follow is laughable.

I feel like the software is super easy to use. It reminds me of of Full Tilt. Sometimes it gets slow but I've never had huge problems with it.

LOL I laughed. Great bait.

Looks like they updated their banned account list after more than 1,5 years (https://www.winningpokernetwork.com/banned-accounts/) It prooves that thread like this can push them in the right direction altough the end is far far away.

Out of curiosity I've checked few banned accounts and found few old HUSNG bot (BOMSCHIKIWAUWAU for example). In my opening I attached the botring from partypoker and this nick were there too, so WPN is still 2 years behind party and 3 years behind PS. And funny thing if we see the list of affected players (https://www.winningpokernetwork.com/...mschikiwauwau/) we can find notorious botters who were named in this forum as confirmed bots several times like Majcy,FIVEHUMANS, optimusprime39,old time gin, aalbierie and even AutisticRaven and gerda_kitty got some money from WPN to help them running their current botring.

Also thank you for the PM's too, got some additional tips from this network (and from other networks too). This also shows if we people unite we can still make major changes
Botrings to PS and partypoker couldn't return (yes there are still individual cases but it's impossible to run a botring like here in HUSNGS, NLHE CG or PLO CG).

So all of the heads up sng names are still off the list I see and currently playing/holding the lobby?

Out there is a perfect engine, a poker machine that is a miracle of evolution - it sits and plays and makes little baby bots, that's all.

I play under vladxxxro on stars and have never been banned on any site. These cheaters constantly try to take over lobbies on ipk/wpn, it is their fiorst attempt at high stakes, the bot is still very leaky so they will probably fail. At 50 and lower though they should have a decent chance, it's very sad that after so many emails and reports WPN literally does not care and does nothing to protect the integrity of the room and the clean players involved.

Hey guys!

After monitoring this post i've just entered to wpn and i was wondering:

https://gyazo.com/2f3fd8011783be1de8b5f41abc1c65d3

https://gyazo.com/97d75c9bf232eb1e09a8487feb46ac88

One of this guy fighting for 300 and 500 lobbys vs a known highstakes crusher (check his sharkscope, its pretty sick). It's quite a leap from those midstakes hypers he grinded before.

So probably we have 2 options: 1, he is way smarter than Zuckerberg

2, he uses something what he should not supposed to be using.

Just simply interesting...GL on WPN. Made my day

As a $ 24 player, anyone can get there in a few months to understand and incorporate such deep GTO situations into their game. Roughly the only 9x here is the K9 which is twice checked by the GTO. The population is about to never play this way, but if it does, it’s more than weird that a player who is a low-stakes regular decides to attack HS tables.

hand
https://gyazo.com/b2725b6a178d5bbdc4182afbf4197e11

turn gto
https://gyazo.com/e1fa4ff6db76cbafeded712c2abb865a

river gto
https://gyazo.com/e1fa4ff6db76cbafeded712c2abb865a

Sorry. This is a turn gto
https://gyazo.com/97413bdcf4525f868383a3c095519a0b

What would be your advice in trying to get ACR to pay some money out to those affected by these SNs? I played a TON against at least 5-6 of these SNs, mostly 2-3 years ago. Even before they took away the stakes a over $36. I can check Sharkscope, but I imagine I’ve lost 10-15k to them. Obviously they would’ve cashed out heaps but what can even be done?

Thanks for your responses

All you can do is write an email to gameintegrity@winningpokernetwork.com about the situation (you can refer to this thread as well I guess).

The problem is that it looks like WPN just sends back the money to other bots after they ban one. Just check BOMSCHIKIWAUWAU's page and compare it to xrab's post about the bot groups:


The actual post can be found here: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=285

Do bots chat? I believe I chatted with quitsilence. Do bots automatically rematch? If sometimes they rematch and sometimes they do not, does that tell us anything?

Sure they can chat, usually an actual human player is playing, but with a real-time assistance software. As for rematches, I'm not sure if they're rematching automatically, but we've seen a bunch of rematches with them actually sitting out for the whole SNG while continue to play on multiple tables (happened at least 10-15 times) or disconnecting from only 1 table when playing on at least 6, which is not something you see from the average player.

Hello guys! I am from Ukraine, I also play HUSNG. I play fair, and I am also worried about the problem of total capture of the game by bots. I have repeatedly written complaints about foul play in support of Winningpoker, presented arguments and evidence, but there is no reaction. Bots both played and play, and they are becoming more insolent and impudent, as they remain unpunished. You have to be blind not to see that the players indicated by the author are bots. Banning the game for Russia, Latvia, Belarus, and Lithuania will not lead to anything positive. The problem is not that, but that the winningpoker management ignores the players' requests. I have already seen bots from Germany and the USA, so the solution to the problem lies in a different plan.
I have one idea, I will send in private messages to birs320 my letter of complaint that I wrote to winningpoker. And a little later I will write him my idea of ​​how you can try to prove that these players are bots. One head it's good, but two better. I think my idea is good, but I would like to hear opinions from like-minded people.

p.s. can't find how to write in private messages. birs320, please write how to contact you on the forum? or in any messenger

You do not have PM privileges yet.

Happy to talk to you when you do.

A friend plays husngs on wpn, he has constant trouble with tables randomly not loading when starting.

Ater seeing these stats, and that these guys had no choice but to go public with their problem I find this situation very worrying. I cannot decide which is worse: if WPN really doesn't take this issue seriously, or if they come to the conclusion that the nicks mentioned in the post are not using a bot/helper. For the sake of online poker's future I hope there will be a thorough investigation soon. HUSNG is just the beginning (as it is the easiest game form to model/cheat in); I have no doubt that if bots are not stopped there will be more of them in other game types sooner rather than later. For those who use HUDs/statistics regularly it is pretty clear to see that all these players make very similar decisions in rather difficult spots. I don't know how many more opportunities we will have to speak up against bots, but this thread seems like a good opportunity to start some kind of movement. Hang in there!

I played over 150 matches with prizrakOperbI and noticed a very strange feature in the game as for a human. Namely, the opponent folds about 86% in response to 3bet-push. Nothing unusual, you will answer! Yes! But the point is, my 3bet push against him is over 85% (in a situation where the effective stacks are over 17bb). And when my opponent calls my 3bet push and sees a hand like 53o, 93o and so on, he doesn't change his strategy and continues to play the same way. Very strange, isn't it? Friends, if there are competent people among you who will study this issue, I will throw off this person's hand history with this player. They clearly show that the player is a bot. Due to my limited knowledge of English, I cannot convey information more clearly. I started recording video games, but after 10 tournaments, he quit the game. There were 8 situations like this in the video - he folded 7 out of 8 times to my 3bet push.

I couldn't even play a $12 hyper earlier because of these bots..

Wow, unreal.
Thank you for sharing that. Definitely a bad bot.

No, this is a good bot as it has a good ROI. It's just that the developer did not lay such a scenario for him. After I wrote this information here, I think this error will be fixed and we will not see this vulnerability anymore. But I have a hand history of these distributions. This will be enough to get him banned.

Here is some more descriptive information.
This is my HUD for the prizrakoperbi player
160 tournaments 1614 hands

With 17-25bb effective stacks, he minraised 42% (134 times)

I 3-bet-push 103 times out of these 134. That is, if he had a HUD, he would see there that my 3-bet-push is 103/134 = 77% !!!!! How would you play against a player who 3-bets 77%?
He didn't change his strategy, folded 89 times out of 103, which is 86%


If you say that a human can play like that, then I have no more words!

Dear WPN. Let me make you a to-do list.

-Compare hands from August( on weekdays from 6:00 AM to 12:00AM) of these four players(Autistic, Quitsilence, whopensocker, Westchester) to their games of a random month, for example, April.

Magic. It's done

Yes they are still playing plus few 24-36$ hyper bot also apperead on 300-500$ stake but just for a short period of time. But it seems the developer testing more accounts on higher stakes now.

Altough the bots started play less, now they erased the 14 hours session probably to be less conspicuous. Sadly WPN did not do anything seemingly and the botring still occupying the lobbies close to 24/7

Thank you for sharing this especially because for obvious reasons its really expensive to collect enough data versus the entire botring but it's really good to see that more and more people came to help with strong evidence.

WPN let the cash games bots running for months after the post here. To protest against their decision OP decided to update his thread once in a while with new infos. Probably I will do the same and post some ridiculously perfect hands which shows they are still using bot while playing.

Also in this post you can see more information how badly they handle the bot situation

I mean CET 6:00 AM to 12:00AM