of course , i posted a clear proof that they are bots , and your answer is that "The problem is that you instantly think they are bots when there is no proof that they are." .

either you never played poker , or you are dumb , or you are trolling , because we regs KNOW that its impossible to the people have the exact same stats , even though if i was teaching my cousin and my brother how to play , give then the same open raise chart , give then the same advice and tell then to play the same way , they wouldnt have the same exact stats like those guys , then , there are 2 options , either its the same player playing in 13 accounts instead of playing in just one and making more money in the race, and also not having a reason to be banned , or , they are bots (even though it was the same player , those accounts play against each other , wich would lead into colusion ) . , also , its not some random thing , the accounts are not random accounts , they all are the regs who plays the most , also , if it was common to have these especific stats , some other players would have the same vpip pfr and 3bet , but different cbet , or different fold to cbet , or different raise cbet etc.. , but not , either the player have every stat identical , or they are just clearly not the same bot account , this is the last time i will explain for you why they are bots , and any person who arent dumb , never played poker , or trolling understand this , also , the accounts still playing normally ....

While I have heard more than one person say this and I've said it could be possible, I don't think it's the likeliest scenario. When incompetence can be attributed I tend to lean that way instead of the more conspiracy theory type reasons.

The first time it came to my attention was when the Chico Network removed a handful of bots and a week later were getting hit with a DDoS. I still don't know if there was any connection, but it made sense as a possibility when someone first mentioned a possible connection between the two events.


It doesn't make you crazy. It actually makes you a significantly better player if you know who they are and to avoid them as much as possible. Every cent I can keep out of the hands of these cheaters is worth it to me. If the sites aren't going to help the players then we need to help eachother avoid giving these cheaters as much action as possible.


Stop trying to win and start pushing game integrity to be a much larger focus of your network. Then watch as the completely warranted criticism you constantly receive quickly becomes positive feedback and people start recommending WPN.

I expect it to remain business as usual with you guys though. Because of that the poker community will continue to call you out and make sure everybody knows the truth when you continue to try to minimize your network's rampant bot issue.

Lol this post is infuriating.

Hard proof of 10+ accounts with identical stats is presented almost every other month on these forums and then you say something like oh that doesn’t mean they’re bots? You guys can’t be that dumb seriously. Turns out maybe you guys are because nothing has changed.


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It's not just identical stats and absurdly high winrates that make it obvious that these are bots.

The Russian bots which ChicagoJoey mentioned in his video that were "removed" and then returned about a week later (lmfao) under different usernames at 10PLO were literally making every single decision within 2 seconds despite playing across multiple tables, some of which were heads up, others which were shorthanded against tough regs, etc.

It didn't matter how hard of a decision it should've been, or whether it was a preflop, flop, turn, or river decision. They all played without hesitation and without utilizing any of their time banks, and they still obliterated even the best players.

wpn first said that mucked cards at showdown was coming soon in what, 2012? or was it 2011? Dev team needs another 6 years, or can we expect a short wait like 3 years?

I last played on acr in 2016, but back them V2 and mucked cards were supposed to be coming within a few months. this whole "V2" is never happening

Yeh never happening

Ever.

indeed, those 3 newer accounts are crushing hard..

wpn rep, their usernames are:

kr0na
Gelllemar
ObeTwice

They're the exact same bot profiles as the ones that were banned earlier this year.. they come back with new accounts immediately and play in 8 hour shifts with no breaks like their past accounts... nice game integrity

I actually had a look at my bot list that I have made and checked the lobby, most of them arent around right now so MAYBE some of them got banned. I cant speak for the 6 max games but in the FR games most bots run 22/17/7 VPIP / PFR / 3Bet so be on the look out!

Hey, is the reason all these accounts playing with the Pokerking skin have such a similar ABI because there is a buy-in cap on the Pokerking skin?

I have never seen an account using the Pokerking skin with an ABI over $30USD and don't see them playing $100+ MTTs

The network could certainly use an infusion of



I think the next High Five Series would be the perfect time to introduce some Tegridy. Enough with this snicklefritz bot bs.

Every other sure shows mucked cards at showdown. So stop lying to us about how hard it will be to implement it.

Ppl believe your site is bot friendly. U can disprove that by showing mucked cards. The only reason not 2 is if ACR knows this will expose the hitting network.

No excuses. Every site has mucked cards.

Plz stop the reverse psychology.

Ignition is super recreational friendly. They show mucked cards. Always have. No way your devs can’t fix mucked cards. There are no excuses man. Your company clearly doesn’t care.

Seeing mucked cards does nothing to disprove botting. There are plenty of bots on sites that show mucked cards. Ignition/Bovada being one of them.

Main reason i stopped playing on WPN...

Even in tournaments, there are these types of problems. It's a shame. They have a great tournament schedule, good GTDs, just a huge problem of bots and poor management.

Same. And no mucked cards screams cheating is a possibility / happening.

well , no surprise they did nothing about the accounts , all the accounts still playing normally , soo , i can tell you guys , bots at wpn are allowed , they dont ban at all , feel free to create yours and start making money .

I haven't played NL cash on WPN in awhile, decided to check out the tables and noticed 3 bots still playing after reporting them one year ago in this thread (https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...87/?highlight=) and also emailed to security






their basically identical stats:

So are these bots actually any good? I assume so, because if a third of the field at a given level plays the exact same way and is exploitable/beatable it'd be a great game to play in

Great game against bots at 25NL? Even the somewhat exploitable ones aren't exploitable enough to make it worth your time and effort in the microstakes. Bots these days come prepackaged with a solid basic strategy. They're not ever tilting off stacks or losing focus like a normal reg will at these stakes. The better bots will also adjust/be adjusted to how you're playing against them.

Some bots are big winners. Some bots are slight losers. Some bots are breakeven. They're almost always as good and often much better than the average reg at the stakes they play.

Almost couldn't believe this until I googled "online poker bots for sale" and found a company which seems to have the capability to run highly sophisticated bot profiles.

There almost seems to be an ideological difference in the way "real" poker player think about poker vs. what these data scientists who have monetized their research, thinks about poker. These bot makers aren't hiding - they're proud of their "work/biz model".

Every US facing non-regulated off shore grey market site/network that spreads lots of NLHE cg is listed as "low security", as opposed to some regulated sites like Stars, where they admit the game security is "high". People will (and prob should) disapprove of their ideology, but they are proud of their work and if you look at their site, even a techie drooler could see that it's well developed.

The only sites that I could even play on without fear of bots are the ones spreading mix games/odd variants, as I cant imagine Pot Limit Badeucy has been worked on by firms like them. Whatever, I like those games better anyways. I prob could barely beat live 2/5 NL and would be B/E at best in most 5/T lineups. But I don't mind free money if that's what ACR is offering, in a hush-hush partnership w bot sellers and the bot users. The poster who pointed out the mutual benefit to the operator and the botting firm certainly opened my eyes.

In 2018, when off shore poker has been shown time and time again not to be trustworthy, it begs the question: if WPN doesn't care about game security, then why should I? If the message from your site is essentially "game security is what we arbitrarily determine it is, take it or leave it" I'm going to take, take, take. If the sucker is going to be him or me, I'm going to make sure its him every time. See you on the tables. I've got to add a couple a la carte items to my cart first, before I check out. Not bc I'm worried about you catching me, but bc I want to ensure that my business is running at optimal profitability, just like you look after yours. The SN I'm going to create will be CatchMeIfUCan and the other 11 accounts (which I've programmed to deviate slightly from each other) will ALL be similar sounding. I'm not hiding bc I don't have to apparently. Passive income is a beautiful thing, right guys?

Well this should be fun!

Suspect hand versus one of those "suspected" tourney bot accounts that all have identical stats. I accidentally mis-click bet 1BB instead a standard sizing and villain snap folded. I can't imagine a human would ever fold any part of his 3-bet range that checks back flop, needing only 5% equity to call.

Any update or are they all still there?

what is V2? is it going to be the next version of acr? would love to hear the details

Yeah, it's the new version. It's been coming soon since 2015. currently scheduled for early 2023 release, could be pushed back though