As i said before. I assure you security look at many players, do many different protocols with many different things.
The problem is that you instantly think they are bots when there is no proof that they are.

I have never denied that there are bots, there are bots on every site. The security team are working hard.

Does anyone believe that statement i just made?

Yeh they are just terrible.

Can you answer why there are no mucked cards? Like what’s the actual reason?

The reason as i have said many many times. Originally to protect recreational players.

But if everyone is asking for it.... and you can see how people don’t trust the site without it...

Wouldn’t it be smart to add it?
Plus I feel like no recs really even play here. It’s all grinders and nits

Can you answer me this honestly .... if you wanted to, could you incorporate mucked hands within a month provided you got busy working immediately?

I cant honestly answer that because i dont do dev. What i do know is that it is a much bigger job than you could imagine and its not coming before V2.

Nearly every online poker site in existence has mucked cards at showdown for a reason to protect the integrity of the game so we know we aren't being cheated.

It also helps a player to make a legitimate report of potential cheating/collusion when they can see clear proof of it versus playing a guessing game hoping wpn security actually looks into it if they send it in.

WPN support would receive less false reports and more positive ones of obvious ones where the player reporting can explain the scenario to a better degree by having mucked hands at showdown.

A network isn't protecting recreational players by not having this feature that sites have had for over a decade but instead are encouraging cheating and taking away a piece of mind from players who see some potential funny business going on but have no way to explain it to a support team who either don't understand or take them seriously.

These Latvian bots are out of control. When they play similar stats and snap fold to 3bets/4bets at such a high frequency in the same exact time for all of them it's very obvious they aren't humans.

It doesn't. Neither does your rampant bot issue.

Footage of the security team with a whole stack of bot account accusations...


https://youtu.be/dJ_UwY5_dMY

I imagine that we haven't seen, nor will we see the new software due to the bot infestation. Could you imagine if it was released and 1/2 the player pool including accounts pointed out to be bots were gone for a few days until they could reconfigure them. Would be pretty embarrassing for WPN and they would then be forced to admit things

Not really, no. First bolded statement is very Trumpian. It's indicitive of someone who has no idea what they're talking about spewing out word salads. This again probably comes down to your role as a tournament director, which I do not fault you for. From what I've seen about complaints regarding tournaments, you handle them very well. But again, perhaps you guys should get a security guy to come deal with the security questions. Is that not a possiblity?

I guess I spoke too soon in complimenting your site on fast bitcoin cashouts.

I have 5K+ hands on Mumintroll,Maidenmind,Fallenfromstars,Kochegar and Quantoomleap at 25l. 5 of those 6 accounts ran 23/18,exact stats. In 84k hands my bb/100 was at 4,but something just didnt feel right. I switched over to hu hypers and im glad i did.

I play with these guys/bots every day. I checked my database and some of them stats are pretty similar. They could definately be bots, on the other hand, maybe they are some Latvian players crew, who grinding and studying together? Well, to be honest,i doubt about this, just a version

https://ibb.co/nnicQL (my collage, don't know how to upload here)

So all these guys have very similar stats except Fallinlaugh and GinSling. Actually with GinSling i have only ~500 hands, so can't say anything about him.

I remember i played HU with PuQQilist not long ago and i noted him as very weak reg in HU

FWIW i am 100% on your side for mucked cards. I too want it but as i said, im not dev i was just saying why it was originally setup that way. It will be different for V2 and i agree it will definitely help you guys and us.

Some kind of Latvian grind house is also a possibility. Some of these guys put in pretty solid volume on ACR, yet as far as I'm aware Latvian's can play on Stars/888/PP. So why all the volume on ACR??

Well, if it is some sort of "grindhouse" with everyone playing from the same IP, same physical room, etc, ..probably sharing databases, logging in from different computers and such everyday where other accounts also log in from, playing at the same tables, etc, ...then the answer is pretty simple, ...they'd have to answer a lot questions, and likely end up with accounts being frozen for extended periods of time, possibly never reopened if they did it on Stars/888/PP ...but on the other hand, they can do it completely unchecked on WPN, at least for several months until some player finally figures it all out and reports it, in which case, the only penalty they face from WPN is the hassle of opening new accounts.

The thing is, Winning_TD won't touch on the Euro regs that run the Tournament Scene lol.

I mean there are these guys noted above, and many more.. the same guys who would have multiple skins and the same person.

BUT GUYS HES JUST THE TOURNAMENT DIRECTOR!!! OUT OF HIS WHEELHOUSE!!!

Honestly, it's a ****ing joke.

Acr as so much potential to capture ENTIRE USA market.. they have the capability but every USA reg I talk to talks poorly about ACR.

I wonder why??

Right that makes a lot of sense krcmdc.

Also yeah, would like a comment from Winning about all the Euro/Latvian guys.

OK I stand by my original statement, thanks for your fast bitcoin cashouts.

Ive been bumhunting the FR 25-100 games on ACR all year. These games are complete trash now thanks to the bots. Fish are very rare these days. Its just a bunch of the bots grinding away the rakeback care free. I mean how many threads like this are we going to see? They just arent capable of policing it guys, face the facts.

A big YUP.

Honestly i don't understand why don't they just have the same model as pokerstars security, those lazy fks. Def a conspiracy going on but who gives a sht they have some decent tournaments.

The biggest problem with recreational players is the fact that everyone just mentions bots bots bots. Any new player that may want to research first will just see bot and get scared. You want a comment regarding latvian, eastern european players. Everyone just screams bot any chance they get when not all is what it seems. Security are working hard everyday to keep the games fair but again. It makes no difference what so ever what i say here because everyone is just a bot. I can tell you one thing. Not everyone you suspect is a bot.

I am trying to be really honest here with you without coming across rude but seriously. We have a security team. They are constantly looking. We have tools that we use. Yes we dont have stars security and it has nothing to do with being lazy. No one has the same security as them so i guess they are all lazy? Let me also tell you that i have a friend who works in security at stars and even they cant win the fight 100%. I am not denying there are bots, im not denying it at all. I would say just stop double clicking someones profile and because the play a solid game and are eastern european doesnt make them a bot.

Is it true that you guys are being ddos attacked by people who have bots on ACR that you remove? And they do it until you put them back online? If thats true there is nothing you guys can do to get rid of the bots. They will just ddos attack so nobody can play. So what you guys have to do is try to avoid them. Or if your in a mtt against them go through their hand history and see what they are doing with different parts of their ranges. Thats all you guys can do if you know these players are bots and they are not being removed. Thats what i do now. I don't even report anymore. I just try to figure out a good strat against them and thats it and when they jump on a cash table I am off of it.

Without jinxing anything, DDOS attacks happen very often but we deal with them. Im not sure who is doing it but I would seriously doubt that it would come from a known source and a player demand that we put them back online. Im not sure where this thought would ever of come from to be honest.

Again because i cant say this enough. When you think someone is a bot, it does not mean that they are. All you are doing is driving yourself crazy thinking it and scaring away new players. I can promise you one thing. Every name that has been suspected with stats etc here has been sent by me to security and investigated. If they are still playing then security has deemed them to be real players.

And just because your security team has deemed them to be real players doesn't mean they aren't botting. It just means your security team is still incompetent.

As i keep saying. I am in a no win situation. Doesnt matter what i say everything just gets turned into a negative.

Please keep Pm'ing me issues and anything you need but I wont be posting in this thread anymore.