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08-02-2017 , 08:33 PM
i have some update 》》》 a new person from Winamax staff took over the investigation.
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08-06-2017 , 09:53 AM
Update2: Still no answer regarding the investigation
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08-07-2017 , 11:54 AM
Please keep the community updated. Interesting how all these Poker sites make all the strange aggressive moves lately, seemingly based on thin air. I hope that if your claim is legit you'll get compensated.
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08-07-2017 , 02:43 PM
Yea it's not the volume that's an issue for OP but rather than non-stop 72 hours of play. Personally that sounds to me like players swapping in for each other. I mean these are hyper-turbos you can easily take breaks.
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08-08-2017 , 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by the4bettingmonk
Yea it's not the volume that's an issue for OP but rather than non-stop 72 hours of play. Personally that sounds to me like players swapping in for each other. I mean these are hyper-turbos you can easily take breaks.
Here are the graps again:

http://imgur.com/a/Irpvj

On the first graph you can find my 2-8 June playing schedule
On the second graph you can find my 21-27 July playing schedule

There is no CONTINOUS PLAY in none of the weeks
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08-08-2017 , 05:18 AM
I personally don't know how you put up that volume in June. This looks just WOW and there are also almost no real extended breaks on the 6th and 7th of June.

July is almost soft if you compare it to your June schedule. However, the 25th and 26th of July schedules both look super sick considering it is hypers that you play but might be doable if drugged, having snacks ready, and peeing/pooing in a bottle/pan, respectively, IMO :-)

Can any of the sick grinders here chime in, help djorkaeff out, and tell of their experiences and/or views on that June/July schedule?

It looks to me as if you need to do some detailed explaining and come up with a credible story to them.

I hope this settles correctly and good luck djorkaeff!
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08-08-2017 , 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by niminator

Can any of the sick grinders here chime in, help djorkaeff out, and tell of their experiences and/or views on that June/July schedule?
I used to be one of the hardest SNG leaderboards grinder .fr sites offered, and I can't do it.. Not close to it. It's not the number of games, the number of games is not exceptionally high IMO, for me this diagramm about the activity at what times does not favour OP IMO. His replies in the email correnspondences with Winamax support also do not very much favour OP IMO. However, innocent until proven guilty I guess. Winamax should come up with proof, as long as there is a slight chance this is legit (and there is, taking drugs for example this probably seems easier), the sole reasoning of this kind of schedule should not be enough, there should be other factors for them to detect what was going on as well.
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08-09-2017 , 07:26 AM
For what it's worth. OP is saying he is using amphetamine. He can stay awake for several days on this. Truck drivers use it to do exactly this: not sleep.. and go on in the night. I have used it at some partys. Definitely possible. Would say easy actually, not healthy though.
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08-10-2017 , 05:55 PM
UPDATE 3: 7 days ago i sent them the following email:

Pay Notax <paynotax11@gmail.com>
Aug 4 (7 days ago)
to [Winamax]
Hello,
I am looking for an update on your investigation into my account, as its been over a week since you closed it for a review.
During the last week, I have linked you to numerous cases of both gamers and poker players going far beyond what I did in both my runs in June and July. There are many more players on 2+2 who used to grind so much harder than I did, for example, during the last few weeks of December to make SNE. Many others have done high volume prop bets, which also far surpass what I did. While I am unsure of their exact play schedules, many €5 & €10 Expresso players have played well more than I have during some weeks, and I also didn’t even win my week in June. One player managed to play over 4,800 SNGs for the last leaderboard in May, this is over 1,700 more than I managed a week later.
You can see that the weeks before and after my big runs, that I do not play nearly as many, as I need to recover. I also showed you many players (GTOwizard, Sorcex, Rik-Viator, DeltaMagic, etc) who get very high volume for several consecutive weeks.
You can hopefully see from your reporting tools that I always use the same device while I am playing, and not changing computers every few hours.
I have not shared my Winamax account details, nor has anyone else played on it. I have played all hands of all the games that my account has played on Winamax. I would ask that at this time you fully unlock my account, and also award me the €750 that I would have clearly won, had you not removed me from the leaderboard. I am not asking for any additional compensation, however if I was to get some type of play through bonus for the income I have missed out on during the last week, that would be much appreciated.
I look forward to returning to Winamax and going for the top of the Expresso Challenge leaderboard once again asap.
Thanks!

... and no reply. 9 days passed since the new person from Winamax Staff took over the investigation and i received no update on the situation. Account still frozen

Last edited by djorkaeff; 08-10-2017 at 06:15 PM.
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08-11-2017 , 07:25 AM
Winamax and 888 and many many other site's representatives should defintitely meet for a coffee and cake and a good laugh at us stupid customer pleb sheep...
As long as there's no clear law and regulation and gaming commissions that are doing their jobs of protecting the customers there will be no fairness in online Poker and arbitrary stuff like this here will continue to happen.
@OP: I'd contact the regulatory authority if I were you and ask them to try to enforce compensation.
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08-11-2017 , 08:19 PM
I just read this thread and im just curious how much money that first place in the leaderboard has to be to justify these sick amounts of games and hours you put in.. i mean 20 hours a day playing hyper turbos for 6 days straight? Thats pure torture man, why would you want to do such thing? If you get 2 normal jobs for lets say 10 bucks an hour you would make 1200 within 6 days and it will be paradise compared to playing hypers and peeing in a bottle.... just saying.
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08-11-2017 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by NL Eagle
I just read this thread and im just curious how much money that first place in the leaderboard has to be to justify these sick amounts of games and hours you put in..
Expresso 1 € et 2 € : 150/100/75 for the top 3 players of the week,
Expresso 5 € et 10 € : 750/500/375
Expresso 25 € et 50 € : 2250/1500/1000
Expresso 100€ : 3500/2250/1500

in euros obv. 35K€ weekly as a whole.
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08-17-2017 , 12:52 AM
Any news?
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08-17-2017 , 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by niminator
Any news?
Still no answer for 2 weeks now. If no answer till Saturday, i will inform ARJEL (France’s online gaming regulator) about the situation and ask them to audit the investigation.
I will keep you informed
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08-17-2017 , 06:10 PM
Very good! Best of luck and strong nerves to you. Don't let these POS get away with that.
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08-18-2017 , 09:06 AM
Just received this:

Hello Nicolae,

Sorry for our late reply but our verification process has been conducted with great rigour and precision to avoid any mistake on our part.

We have various forms of evidence pointing towards the fact that multiple players are using your account, which violates our Terms and Conditions of Use, as mentioned here: https://www.winamax.fr/en/about_term...and-conditions

We are therefore required to close your account and keep your funds in order to reimburse the players affected by your violation of our Terms and Conditions of Use. You will no longer be able to play on Winamax.

We appreciate your understanding and patience.

Best regards,
Cordialement.

Alexandre Dufour.
Service sécurité winamax.fr
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08-18-2017 , 02:21 PM
I have won every full tilt black card sponsorship when they had it for plo low. The first 2 weeks I played 16h-18h on 12 tables (i think that was max) a day without any drugs or coffee. If you use drugs and have a weekly challenge it will be possible to play 3 days straight without sleep and like 16h-20h the other 4 days. It won't be healthy, it won't feel good, your brain gets fried but it can be done. I had a maid that did grocery shopping, cooking, etc so all I did was eat, sleep and play.

If winamax suspects multiple users then they should prove that by showing a statistically significant difference in gameplay at certain hours. If they can prove that, please ban/blacklist OP and take his money. If not, give him his money and if they like ban him afterwards.

I also think it's irresponsible for pokersite to offer weekly challenges with a big incentive since sooner or later you will have someone grinding themselves to death.
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08-19-2017 , 02:12 AM
If the only evidence they got to confiscate your funds is that you didn't sleep for 2 days then Winamax is totally underestimating what 1 human being can accomplish in order to win a challengue.

I personally played 1 time a challengue at Full Tilt Poker (adrenaline rush poker weekly challengue) and I was averaging like 14 hours per day everyday of that week.

I'm pretty sure other players can go further than me.

Winamax, you deserve the word 'incompetence' if your decition is based solely in 'you played 18hours, you don't sleep, no human can do that !'.
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08-19-2017 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by djorkaeff
Just received this:
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No more details in their mail ? Kinda strange.
Check your MPs please.
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08-19-2017 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by soxav
No more details in their mail ? Kinda strange.
Check your MPs please.
No other details. I wrote them back asking for the evidence they are talking about.
About the amount of funds seized, there are 725 in my cashier, 860 in rakeback (never cashed in rakeback since i opened the account), and 750 the price not awarded, for a total of 2335 Euro
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08-20-2017 , 03:26 AM
You asked for it.
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10-25-2017 , 01:57 AM
That´s sick, but I heavily doubt, that Winamax just closes an account stating "you cannot play 7 days a week with having only 2 hours of sleep a day". So they definitely have something other. But they will obviously not saying what to protect their integrity and security measures.
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